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poppy potentiator?
« on: February 22, 2012, 09:36:36 AM »
I've given up all pharmaceuticals, atleast for a while. For pain I've been using dried pods to make tea. I've been experimenting with several blends and today I think I found a winner. Maybe one of you guys knows why this worked so well, I want to share it anyway. Straight up poppy tea does help.tremendously with my pain, but today's brew was just too great. It's been hours and still no pain. Even that nagging tightness that never goes away is gone. I can't tell I'm hurt AT ALL! Here's what I did- I crushed 5 medium sized pods, hold the seeds. I added a pinch of skullcap( about a joints worth if you were gonna smoke it) a healthy dash of ground licorice root and dash of fennel seeds (50 or so seeds). Add just enough water to make a thick soup. I heat that till its about 60c. I don't have a thermometer right now so I just feel with my finger. Years of brewing beer has left me with a surprisingly accurate thermo-finger, its not a huch deal just don't boil. I let it steep off the heat then heat again a few hours later. Again let it steep till cold. Strain the liquid, sweeten with a bit of agave nectar and drink.

Any clue why this is?
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Re: poppy potentiator?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 05:13:08 PM »
No idea, perhaps some of the added compounds inhibit complete metabolism of the more active alkaloids? Or make it last longer by slowing the conversion of one opiate alkaloid into a more active type?  Grapefruit often causes issues with this, so it isn't too far fetched. I'm sure you've read about the effect grapefruit can have on opiate metabolism.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 07:14:41 PM »
Very little so far, but it has my interest now. I woke up this morning with no pain. I didn't make my morning tea for two hours after waking up. This blend is like a blessing. I'm not believing how well it works. Very little euphoria, no more than a good latte' gives you, but its so damn effective in terms of pain relief its blowing my mind. When I do my next brew later tonight I'm going to add some slippery elm since it does cause very mild nausea. I will never get back on pain pills, having this remedy that not only works, but works well, makes that commitment a bit easier to stick with. In less than a week I will be changing the entire mode of my life. One thing I hope to stick to is to not take any pharmaceuticals period. Natural shit only. The natural route is already working out very well, I'm actually optimistic about the future for the first time in a really long time.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 02:57:32 AM »
I just weighed everything, so I got numbers. I also forgot to mention I acidify the water with a little lemon juice. I don't have my meter here, so I can't check it. Slightly acidic is what I go for.

20 gms of dried pods
1.5 gms dried skullcap (leaves)
.5 gms powdered licorice root
3 gms fennel seed
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 05:49:23 AM »
are you saying that this mix just gives unprecedented pain relief without any 'high'?

hmmm I would be interested to hear if this effect is consistent

its possible the poppies are high in thebaine which is demethylated into morphine/one which could explain the analgesia :-\

or it could be all in your mind ;D
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 05:52:08 AM »
check out the tasmanian poppies i sent you a link.
i stopped buying them when the price tripled due to government meddling.
some fool od'ed himself and ever since there has been a crackdown and price increases.
it's always some idiot who fucks it up for the rest of us.
you know like that media manufactured "pain killer epidemic"

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 02:48:12 PM »
There is a slight euphoria, that typical warm hug you get from opiates. It's just that usually to be this pain free you get higher than this. I like the euphoria, I was just pointing out that the lack of shows that some form of plant synergy is happening. I plan to try Jon's pods asap
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2012, 01:00:11 AM »
when you buy poppy always look for the dark spots that's the latex that has oxidized the more spots you see the better the poppy.
tasmanian is pharmacuetical poppy it has been breed to yeild 20% morphine in the latex so even if you pay more you get more bang for the buck.

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 03:06:48 AM »
I have heard rumors around the net that certain ordinary supermarket variety poppy seeds are viable surplus pharmaceutical Tasmanian Papaver s. strain seeds and thus very potent when grown. I can vouch that they are indeed viable and that they at least grow into opium poppies, but I can't verify that they are pharmaceutical "Tasmanian", although it seems plausible.

According to this, could be false  :-\ http://www.poppies.org/faq/introduction/how-potent-are-the-major-culinary-spicerack-varieties-such-as-mccormick/#more
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2012, 04:03:26 AM »
I have heard this as well, and I guess it could make sense. :) I do not really know.
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2012, 10:07:43 AM »
I've noticed the correlation between dark spots and potency. I've also heard about the seeds at the grocery stores. I really really look to grow a small medicinal garden this year.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2012, 01:01:53 AM »
Like Vesp said, I have found that grapefruit potentiates almost anything (most of my experience being w/ opiates)!  There have been recent reports that say you shouldn't take grapefruit/juice w/ (certain?) medicines b/c it tends to increase and prolong it's effect which could be dangerous depending on the med.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2012, 08:31:57 PM »
It must be the bitter component in grapefruit since that's the only difference I can taste between that and lemon/lime. Just a guess, but one I'm willing to stick by until proven wrong by someone who knows.

Word to the wise, don't try the slippery elm in there, it fucked it up. It made it, well, slippery. I didn't dig it, but I drank it anyway. At the moment I'm doing the brew each day a bit different that the day before eliminating ingredients and double others to see if I can find what's doing it. Believe it or not the fennel is a major contributor, I can tell when it's gone. But, the skullcap is also doing something big as doubling it's amount was very noticeable. I still only need to drink it once a day to stay pretty much pain free. It's like the base of my neck in the back stays warm all day and makes the pain insignificant, really. I can still tell I'm hurt at times, but it's better pain management than I had with the morphine sulfate. With those it was just an ever increasing dose, not to mention I was unable to resist the temptation to inject them, which I did exclusively the last couple months of being on them. Something about the TA mix is superior in every way. Unless it's a buzz you're after, then it sucks.

The experiment continues....
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2012, 11:25:38 PM »
You should try only single variables at a time. I.e poppy + skullcap, poppy + other thing, etc..
And than try combinations of those.
keep some sort of record with a variety of qualitative properties - I.e time, pain, warmth felt, etc.

That is what I'd be doing, at least. Start from the most simple mixtures, and try to find additional effects from adding ingredients, and than emergent effects from mixed additions of those ingredients.
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2012, 03:28:26 AM »
I will take your advice and I will update this thread anytime I feel like I've found something.
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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2012, 11:11:08 PM »
I have heard rumors around the net that certain ordinary supermarket variety poppy seeds are viable surplus pharmaceutical Tasmanian Papaver s. strain seeds and thus very potent when grown. I can vouch that they are indeed viable and that they at least grow into opium poppies, but I can't verify that they are pharmaceutical "Tasmanian", although it seems plausible.

According to this, could be false  :-\ http://www.poppies.org/faq/introduction/how-potent-are-the-major-culinary-spicerack-varieties-such-as-mccormick/#more
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2013, 07:05:22 AM »
This appears to be the same forum, with the name changed, or perhaps an active archive: http://forum.opiumpoppies.org

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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2013, 09:03:33 PM »
Many thanks!!!

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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2013, 09:44:53 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2013, 03:16:10 AM »
I have heard rumors around the net that certain ordinary supermarket variety poppy seeds are viable surplus pharmaceutical Tasmanian Papaver s. strain seeds and thus very potent when grown. I can vouch that they are indeed viable and that they at least grow into opium poppies, but I can't verify that they are pharmaceutical "Tasmanian", although it seems plausible.

According to this, could be false  :-\ http://www.poppies.org/faq/introduction/how-potent-are-the-major-culinary-spicerack-varieties-such-as-mccormick/#more


In that case I would be extremely careful about using them in any way shape or form, they are thebaine poppies and they'll need an awful lot of work to utilize for any purpose. Is this disinformation intentional or a joke Jon?

when you buy poppy always look for the dark spots that's the latex that has oxidized the more spots you see the better the poppy.
tasmanian is pharmacuetical poppy it has been breed to yeild 20% morphine in the latex so even if you pay more you get more bang for the buck.


They are bred specifically, Papaver Bracteatum Lind (http://eprints.utas.edu.au/12287/1/Raj_Final_Thesis.pdf)  to produce little to no morphine, minimal amounts of codeine and virtually all of the alkaloids are thebaine (and derivatives). Useful as a route to 14- modifications but fucking dangerous to ingest, death is not from the usual opiate-symptoms but due to seizures. The death rate from Tasmanian locals ingesting 'poppy tea' from this new strain is increasing, it will be interesting to see what effect it has on wildlife.
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