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The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« on: April 17, 2012, 12:17:48 AM »
Various syndicated links, only need to read one of them.    ::)

http://www.scpr.org/news/2012/04/16/32048/feds-la-crack-international-online-drug-operation/
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/04/on-line-drug-marketplace-indictment.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/international-online-drug-market-busted-arrests_n_1429544.html
Probably the most well written:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzu0cRDLaC1Yv6Ur0IL1c0bBKfrw?docId=2a0e4e1109444125a82f0fe20ddc8d5b

To quote a post on that certain vendor review site
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Adam/Ruby, Keysh, Jay/djsfishin, jootgatter, mollyssecret/bigeyedfish34/dreamingtrees, brnytrbl, phattater, and mcmurphy813/gm8133/goldenhorsesshoe-webdesign have all been busted.

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The alleged ringleader, Dutch citizen Marc Willems, 42, was arrested Monday at his home in Lelystad in the Netherlands, officials said.

Michael Evron, 42, a United States citizen living in Buenos Aires, Argentina, was taken into custody on Sunday in Bogota, Colombia, authorities said.

The other six men were arrested at their homes. They are identified as Jonathan Colbeck, 51, of Urbana, Iowa; Brian Colbeck, 47, of Coldwater, Mich.; Ryan Rawls, 31, of Alpharetta, Ga.; Jonathan Dugan, 27, of North Babylon, N.Y.; George Matzek, 20, of Secaucus, N.J.; and Charles Bigras, 37, of Melbourne, Fla.

The two-year investigation [was] dubbed "Operation Adam Bomb" according to officials.
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 04:27:56 AM »
As is public knowledge, Some of those individuals had high level dealings in shady areas. I post because the people were good people, to the extent I knew them and of them.
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 04:40:28 AM »
How did they get caught, exactly? Money trail?
It says it used Paypal and the like, why not bitcoins?

Interesting.. I've not heard of this Farmers market before.

@dream0n, If you knew them as friends, I'm sorry you have to deal with the experience of them getting in trouble. It is always sad to see friends go away like this, or vanish, etc.
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 05:20:58 AM »
The investigation was going since before bitcoin, it went back into the days when everyone still used hushmail and they turned over all communications. That's why there's not records after '10 when everyone started encrypting their own email. With the emails it wasn't hard to follow the cash flow back up.

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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 05:29:40 AM »
xttps://www.scribd.com/doc/89690597/Willemsindictment-Filed-045
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Some of those dates are from 2007.
Hopefully they knew to keep their mouths shut and all that, though I wouldn't have imagined that they were tracked for so long before being confronted... seriously, they waited how long to prosecute and build the case... Anyhow, it shows the level to which 'they' might go if they think you are worth their time.

As it said in the article, it was an online vending collective to give hugely better service to customers, and they succeeded in the goal of doing that.  Yes they were making money, but it was also about that -- oh, and all the prices were inflated too.. wasn't all that great of a place to be.
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 01:52:22 PM »
never saw a lot of transactions happening there...

The FEDs are on this stuff something fierce...They don't like having their noses rubbed in their own shit.

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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 04:02:48 PM »
hope they don't use this to give them more reason to take away our privacy.   Damn thats such a long investigation, wonder if someone stopped paying there bribe?  hope they had cash stashed for a good lawyer

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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 04:54:13 PM »
hope they don't use this to give them more reason to take away our privacy.   Damn thats such a long investigation, wonder if someone stopped paying there bribe?  hope they had cash stashed for a good lawyer

They never made any money by the looks of things. $1,000,000 at (generously) 50% commission, minus overheads, split 8 ways spaced out over 18 months to two years. They would be lucky to be able afford a lawyer to share.

No one should think that they can run an auction site SOLELY for the purposes of selling drugs and remain free indefinitely.

Not doing the TOR community any favours either. Attempts will be made to prohibit or restrict the implementation of this technology if these arrests continue.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 05:09:08 PM »
definitely bad for tor....there is already an agenda in motion to "criminalize" privacy on the internet.

this list has been posted before, but check out the propaganda:

https://publicintelligence.net/fbi-suspicious-activity-reporting-flyers/
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 11:30:03 PM »
definitely bad for tor....there is already an agenda in motion to "criminalize" privacy on the internet.

this list has been posted before, but check out the propaganda: https://publicintelligence.net/fbi-suspicious-activity-reporting-flyers/


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embezzler: Not doing the TOR community any favours either. Attempts will be made to prohibit or restrict the implementation of this technology if these arrests continue.

I concur! It's already happening at your ISP.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/230954/isps_may_join_fight_against_piracy.html#tk.mod_stln
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=31726
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 02:20:07 AM »
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Not doing the TOR community any favours either. Attempts will be made to prohibit or restrict the implementation of this technology if these arrests continue.

I think they will do anything to stop privacy tools like Tor -- more detrimental I suspect are things like Wikileaks  - that intentionally reveal government secrets, instead of some cyber drug dealer. Also child porn would or at least should be a bigger issue to worry about since it infringes on individual liberty as opposed to a drug dealer sending dried mushrooms and flowers to willingly participating individuals.

Oh.. and also the anonymous/lulzsec stuff that gets a LOT of publicity.

Though, it is a funny world we live in -- so maybe they worry about the less important things.
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 03:48:31 AM »
Shit, now just how fucking dumb would you have to be?

Let me draw a picture

(1) some individual - they try to make a living selling "party" pills so they wouldn't be at all hot would they? - has a package directed to them, whether at home, at work or at a mail drop, the package is intercepted by LE and they follow the package to ultimate delivery.

(2) The package is delivered and the addressee is busted and arrested. They then:

a. Agree to cooperate with LE, giving full details of how/when/where they got the drugs, got access to the website, etc.; and/or

b. Get their home/workplace/premises searched, their PC/Laptop/etc. impounded and dissected giving the full trail, websites, emails, money, etc.; and/or

c. some combination of a & b

3. LE decides that instead of busting the one/several dealers that are online and for which they have a money trail, why not get introduced by the addressee from (1) as a trusted associate and order from most if not all suppliers and if possible gain enough evidence to indict the owners/operators of the website.

Smack, bang, crackle, pop.

Let this be a lesson to wannabee drug kingpins, if you are silly enough to do this type of shit, you don't sell to people you don't personally know and vouch for. People I know don't trust anyone else to vouch for people, they either know them or they don't, if you vouch for someone you are responsible for them not being what they seem. I couldn't imagine anything less fucking secure than bloody wannabee keyboard warriors, with no idea of the rules and no way to enforce the rules in order to make them understand, running a global drug supply operation.

Why is it that people assume that dealing drugs is easy? Maybe if you have a lot of associates/friends, are known to be too dangerous to fuck with, know how sales works and how to balance dealing with scum that will rip you off sooner than pay you if they get half a chance, can work out percentages on the run (so to speak) and like a little excitement, it could be.

In my experience a lot of people can purchase half-decent drugs in reasonable quantities at inflated prices, being able to purchase drugs doesn't make you a drug dealer, being able to turn a quantity of whatever into cash in excess of what you purchased the drugs for and the costs associated with shifting it, with enough markup to cover the time & effort involved and the associated risk, a drug dealer makes.

I may or may not know someone who used to make a decent living shifting drugs for wannabees that could purchase small quantities, but were unable to deal them effectively, or safely or avoid being ripped/shafted by every hustler in the towns they lived/worked in. That person doesn't scare (at all) so threatening/standing over them is pointless (and doing so to their family is suicidal), they NEVER bluff, they are very effective at risk avoidance and calculated risk taking, not overly concerned about violence, consider legal ramifications to their actions before they act (and alter their actions accordingly and as necessary) and have about 10 years experience in the game (about 25% science and 75% art). I've been told they ended up getting out of it, because despite having money, drugs, etc. they just got tired of the same half thought out bullshit and drama day in, day out. Money isn't everything and when you take big risks and don't have the time to rest and enjoy it, how much is it worth (plus you tend to spend like its going out of fashion)?

I'd imagine that person could think of NOTHING worse than to deal with half-baked, keyboard warriors with no real knowledge of the risks they take (or pass onto others), no concept of what is going to happen when shit goes wrong and no experience with shit actually going wrong. An organisation with no real security, nobody in charge, no enforceable rules/standards of conduct, etc. would be my/their worst fucking nightmare, 20 years just waiting to happen knowing that some cunt is going to fuck up sooner or later.

Aside from that, FFS I won't even order bloody solvents or NaBH4, it just isn't worth the risk and I know only too fucking well what a controlled delivery looks like, feels like and ends like. I couldn't imagine purchasing list 1 drugs over the internet to be delivered by fucking post, through some cunt I don't know - have no way of seeking redress from - and actually accepting delivery of them. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 03:43:38 AM »
* More Shitty News!  *

Looks like there may be a large ripple of busts in wake of this... as part of a larger WEB TRYP styled take down operation.

[ various research chemical discussion sites have been shutdown or put into a lower functionality mode voluntarily on suspicion of corrupt administration on a specific online forum being corrupt / after being arrested shortly selling out others in exchange for quasi-freedom.]
Edit- will update after I sort through rumor and bs or fact. Anyone with verified info can give it.
Not saying they did, but makes the whole thing hazy and a lot more shady than portrayed previously.
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 04:29:22 AM »
@dream0n...  Do you have more info on this?
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 07:16:25 AM »
One of the large RC distribution forums was shut down, and the administrator federally indicted for distributing analogues of  controlled substances. The rest of the scene has gone into hiding. Lots of fear over police informants, and all the records.

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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2012, 02:53:49 PM »
nigluhS knows of people who had their drop houses hit by FEDs post silk road deliveries as well.

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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2012, 04:11:14 AM »
Vesp I posted  thread the day this happened with the arrest paper for "woot" the guy who ran the forum.  They plan on charging him under the analog act and he had a considerable amount of cathiones

http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3049.0.html
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 10:42:47 PM »
a drug ring goes down news at 11
big deal?

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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2012, 10:58:20 PM »
Not really a big deal, no but it should serve as a wake up for some idiots especially on that forum.
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Re: The Farmer's Market : BUSTED
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2012, 10:14:14 PM »
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-18/afp-seize-drugs-imported-by-mail/4018732
News Flash: Idiots send 100s of Kilos of Drugs through the post into Australia, get busted.

[ Okay, okay, alright, they weren't idiots ]
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