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Re: Help The Vespiary Financially with no to little cost or effort on your part! :D
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2013, 06:01:24 AM »
I just don't think it's a good idea to put all the drug forums in the power of all the same hands.

It's like putting all the eggs in the same basket.
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« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2013, 06:18:18 AM »

The HTML with PDF backup will be made and released open source to the public. I swear I've said that and made it clear. Havent I?

Since it is going to be public, and avaliable to anyone for free, I am going to make an adsense version online to be indexed to generate money. Not just for me either, I'll undoubtedly keep some, but it'll also go to help the new forum admin pay for the site and all that jazz.


Surely since other people will undoubtedly make copies of it and put it online, and attempt to make a profit from the knowledge, I might as well do the same after all since I will still continue to help the site, probably financially if it makes any money.
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Re: Help The Vespiary Financially with no to little cost or effort on your part! :D
« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2013, 06:18:55 AM »
What happened with the dwarfer thing? Didn't that come about by multiple admins?
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« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2013, 09:52:05 AM »
I didn't say I wanted it released to the public, stop getting all defensive - we are trying to avoid people getting all angry and shit like what happened at WD, that is when shit goes wrong and all sorts of shit gets lost. Calm down, take a look at what is being asked. There are also some here who would appreciate stuff that is kept out of the general view kept out of the general view if it goes public.

The Dwarfer/Wareami catfight came about because of competing ideas of what was right and wrong for the community and a very public shitfight resulted. Didn't have fuck all to do with most admins, especially the people who are here. It came down to a dueling fucking ego-trip and WD ain't been the same since.





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Re: Help The Vespiary Financially with no to little cost or effort on your part! :D
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2013, 10:03:16 AM »
Please inform me where I had lost my temper and need to calm down? What post suggests I wasn't calm?

If it is this:  "The HTML with PDF backup will be made and released open source to the public. I swear I've said that and made it clear. Havent I?" it was to simply restate what I have already declared - which, I wanted to do to be clear since you posted this: "Is it possible to get a static backup of the site as it exists now - including the pdf-index? "  - which you are requesting?

But, now you're last comment seems to suggest you don't want archives to be made?
"There are also some here who would appreciate stuff that is kept out of the general view kept out of the general view if it goes public."


OR rather, they are made but only given to a select few people?
Why would I give archived information to only a select few people, when  the information is currently available to anyone who joins this site?
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« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2013, 10:07:31 AM »
Because there are any number of very problematic members accessing this site since it got advertised on S.Rd. Then there are the slow files, etc. etc. Think mate, it's all I ask, check your inbox.
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Re: Help The Vespiary Financially with no to little cost or effort on your part! :D
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2013, 11:00:09 PM »
Quote from: Vesp on June 07, 2013, 06:01:24 AM
I just don't think it's a good idea to put all the drug forums in the power of all the same hands.

It's like putting all the eggs in the same basket.

What a lame excuse!!

Since you haven't PM me once about this issue, nor have you PM me at ALL with any question(s) regarding the hosting network topography, fail-safes, backups, etc - 'how did you conclude this?'
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« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2013, 12:52:15 AM »
I would just prefer that a different group of people are the admin/host. The egg in basket thing is something I've said many times before. I am not just saying for hosting either, but for all things: Administration strategies, increased and differentiated resources, talents, and philosophy on developing, operating, and moderating the forum. Adding diversity to it is all good.  Additionally, wouldn't it also divide resources from the collective?
This way actually adds resources to the over all forum communities.

Also - "If it comes to it, I'll host the forum on a desktop PC, (or dedicated server) with Apache, PHP, MySQL, and TOR hidden services."


"Plans are A & B hosting.

Plan A: I'll host the forum on a desktop PC, (or dedicated server) with Apache, PHP, MySQL, and TOR hidden services.  Forum Admin will be Lugh, Java, & myself. Moderators remain as is.
Plan B: Maybe at 'The Collective' ??!"

It didn't really sound like you even had much desire to host it, saying "if it comes to it" seemed to suggest that as a last resort - not so much "Yes I certainly want to host it and I believe I am best fit to do so"

Either way, I am absolutely sure of the person I am choosing to host it. They are absolutely brilliant and talented when it comes to exactly this sort of stuff.
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Re: Help The Vespiary Financially with no to little cost or effort on your part! :D
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2013, 02:11:16 AM »
Hope we can keep this place alive. I love everyone here and the level of knowledge that is used and shared. The diversity of the members and the pure skills and experience on show.

For a newbie deeply interested in Chemistry of the naughty kind, it's a brilliant place to call home.
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Re: Help The Vespiary Financially with no to little cost or effort on your part! :D
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2013, 03:13:38 AM »
Quote from: Vesp on June 08, 2013, 12:52:15 AM
I would just prefer that a different group of people are the admin/host. The egg in basket thing is something I've said many times before. I am not just saying for hosting either, but for all things: Administration strategies, increased and differentiated resources, talents, and philosophy on developing, operating, and moderating the forum. Adding diversity to it is all good.  Additionally, wouldn't it also divide resources from the collective?
This way actually adds resources to the over all forum communities.

Also - "If it comes to it, I'll host the forum on a desktop PC, (or dedicated server) with Apache, PHP, MySQL, and TOR hidden services."


"Plans are A & B hosting.

Plan A: I'll host the forum on a desktop PC, (or dedicated server) with Apache, PHP, MySQL, and TOR hidden services.  Forum Admin will be Lugh, Java, & myself. Moderators remain as is.
Plan B: Maybe at 'The Collective' ??!"

It didn't really sound like you even had much desire to host it, saying "if it comes to it" seemed to suggest that as a last resort - not so much "Yes I certainly want to host it and I believe I am best fit to do so"

Either way, I am absolutely sure of the person I am choosing to host it. They are absolutely brilliant and talented when it comes to exactly this sort of stuff.

Again, your reading between the lines!!! Firstly, NO decision has been made IF the Collective WILL host Vespiary? It was currently being debated by the Collective Admin IF TO HOST Vespiary??? 

Since you haven't PM me once about ANY issue(s), nor have you PM me at ALL with any question(s) regarding the hosting network topography, fail-safes, backups, etc - 'how did you conclude this?'

VESP: YOUR AMBIGUITY AND PREOCCUPATION TO GENERATE REVENUE GAVE ME LITTLE INFO. You even failed to PM me that little piece of info.

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Yes, once your HTML version is complete and ready to go? I will need a good day and will try and sync with Cheshire Cat as time permits? Please PM me the final date when your hosting finishes?

http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3694.msg36911.html#msg36911

If it works well and makes a lot of money, we can have extra features added to this website, help pay for hosting, and that sort of stuff. http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3694.msg36765.html#msg36765

Well, I can only afford hosting at the moment and not much else. I wish I could do something to develop it further but it doesn't generate any profit for me so I have a hard time justifying or even affording to put more into it. Right now I'm broke for the most part. http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3694.msg36778.html#msg36778

If I could give it to someone, I would do that and auction off the original Vespiary acrylic painting for bitcoins. That would make me happy and would likely be the best thing for the forum.
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3694.msg36786.html#msg36786
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3694.msg36787.html#msg36787


Yes. I would take the HTML, make it generate revenue and you do the hosting. That sounds fine with me. http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3694.msg36789.html#msg36789

Your 'HTML GOOGLE ADSENSE' version of the forum, to generate revenue, will be on a 'free web hosting site [1]' SEPARATE from the forum hosting site - ALL REVENUE IS YOURS, I want nothing!!
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3694.msg36790.html#msg36790


I think he want's to host one copy of that static site with google ad's to derive some sort of profit from himself, but I hope he would not be doing this with the original domain name. This would be similar to many of the Hive and Rhodium archive mirrors that are around. http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3694.msg36874.html#msg36874

Yes, my sentiments exactly!! Vesp's HTML version IS HIS OWN ENTITY, and hosted wherever as suggested by "free hosting"? http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,3694.msg36885.html#msg36885
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« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2013, 03:35:27 AM »
........the members freely provide information and participate to build this forum, but our great leader wants to make sure he cashes in on any money the forum can make, so much for altruism or interest of the group.....are you sure you're not Hellman in disguise, or another V16, your wishy washy way of making decisions only shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge of the history of this type of forums/.

What was your interest in starting this forum.....what? , it would be cool?, or make you feel like a chemist?  ...thus far you've shown no administrative talent and now telling  the very people that built this forum you want to make sure you cash in on their work........what a great guy you are!.........totally disappointed .....java
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« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2013, 05:36:23 AM »
So, would it be okay to host a static copy without any adsense? Or is there a moral objection to making information available?
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« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2013, 01:16:43 AM »
Vesp, if you want to host a static copy with adsense, go for it. Just make sure the PM's and the invisible material stays invisible is all I ask.

As for the collective and keeping everything separated, the collective (as a whole, not a website) has kept this alive for over a decade, a little respect is in order.

As for a static, searchable site - why not, most of us have our names on at least one of them already. :-\

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« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2013, 02:17:13 AM »
I do hope this place can stick together.

There is alot of people here who are very inspirational, there's a lot of knowledge around being shared.

Very fun, fairly indiscriminate  ;D place to feel part of.

Long live the vespiary.


-replied to same thread twice in two days. Although must be forgiven since ones pigeon had eaten a bomb containing around 200-250mg mdma.

Mmm


Much love :)
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« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2013, 07:26:20 AM »
The Vespiary just has a different feel to it (feels good man) and I think it has everything to do with the leaders and mods. For example keeping up the pressure on members to provide references and banning the use of the word "swim" etc. It all adds a feeling of legitimacy to the subject. Similar to ScienceMadness but without the witch-burning against amphetamines.

Vesp has some good forward-thinking ideas. I personally believe most of the damage caused by the drug war comes from prohibition itself, lack of unbiased information and education on these substances, as well as everyone living in fear of domineering and violent governments.

But anyways I gotta say that I fear this place will lose it's magic without Vesp.

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« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2013, 08:11:02 PM »
The new admin will make it more magical. I'll still be around, but I'm handing it over to a pro.
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« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2013, 12:06:34 PM »
How very, very appropriate.
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    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
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