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Help The Vespiary Financially with no to little cost or effort on your part! :D
« on: May 31, 2013, 05:24:27 AM »
Rumor has it that you can get around $50 worth of Devcoins (a weird fucked up bitcoin thingy) by submitting ~1000 word essays of any sort - it can be fictional, poetry. research paper, etc...to the Devcoin community. In doing so, this makes the content donated creative commons work.

If the people here at The Vespiary are in college and want to donate the  old essays, poems, fictional writing, research papers, etc that they own, this could help raise capitol for TV.

If it works well and makes a lot of money, we can have extra features added to this website, help pay for hosting, and that sort of stuff.
Perhaps better moderation tools, get rid of any logging of personal data, help make it so sending encrypted messages is better, etc

Really that aspect would be up to the community to decide later.

Anyway, I'd like to experiment with this Devcoin thing and the potential to raise money for The Vespiary.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 05:34:50 AM by Vesp »
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2013, 05:43:14 AM »
Or pay for better hosting that doesn't offer that fucking annoying service that blocks Tor exit nodes!
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2013, 02:14:06 PM »
I'm not sure about the Devcoin thing but I'll try and donate some money through bitcoins in a week or so.

How is this place doing financially by the way?

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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2013, 09:09:41 PM »
Well, I can only afford hosting at the moment and not much else. I wish I could do something to develop it further but it doesn't generate any profit for me so I have a hard time justifying or even affording to put more into it.
Right now I'm broke for the most part.

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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2013, 09:12:42 PM »
But seriously, if anyone can send me any essays or writings I'd seriously appreciate the hell out of it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2013, 09:22:56 PM »
Honestly, we need to ficus on making this more sustainable . How much opposition would come about by releasing an HTML version of this site for adsense revenue?
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2013, 10:57:57 PM »
Would google actually like their advertisements on a drug making website? Iunno if you've seen at some of the attempt to infiltrate by the piggies... but pretty sure that wouldnt help

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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2013, 11:00:37 PM »
........another Hellman in the making.....the demise of Synthetika and now here....why not just make the data base available and sink the forum rather than go out and ruin it like many have done in order to have control.......java
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2013, 11:06:21 PM »
....what happened to handing it over to someone else ....now you decided to take the Hellman route, sell it off to the adsense so you can join Hellman with your steak.......you have no values, ....java
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2013, 01:21:01 AM »
Infighting will only delay resolution of the issue at hand.

However, Vesp, the frantic appearance of your  posting combined with airing your half-formed ideas publicly will not instill confidence in anyone.

Perhaps specific numbers and targets would better serve this community than parroting "rumour" about fast-cash schemes.

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2013, 01:36:44 AM »
Or pay for better hosting that doesn't offer that fucking annoying service that blocks Tor exit nodes!

Well, I can only afford hosting at the moment and not much else. I wish I could do something to develop it further but it doesn't generate any profit for me so I have a hard time justifying or even affording to put more into it.
Right now I'm broke for the most part.

The solution is to host it yourself on a desktop PC, (or even better, a second-hand dedicated server) with Apache, PHP, MySQL, and TOR hidden services.

Your only cost, is the electrical power consumption, ISP, and hardware maintenance when required. This will give you FULL SERVER CONTROL, and LESSEN the hosting cost.

If the above is a burden, then I concur with Java's statement, "....what happened to handing it over to someone else .."

Honestly, we need to focus on making this more sustainable. How much opposition would come about by releasing an HTML version of this site for adsense revenue?

Would google actually like their advertisements on a drug making website? Iunno if you've seen at some of the attempt to infiltrate by the piggies... but pretty sure that wouldnt help

I concur with %1.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2013, 02:00:11 AM »
Good points. I should have said it would be an HTML version with the adsense and not  the actual forum. This has been talked about before, and would be in my opinion just fine to do because I plan to make it all available via HTML anyway. At that pint anyone one could do it.

As for giving the forum away, did anyone ever say "yes I will operate this forum and I want to, etc?"
I should check the thread again, but everyone seemed disinterested IIRC.

If I could give it to someone, I would do that and auction off the original Vespiary acrylic painting for bitcoins. That would make me happy and would likely be the best thing for the forum.

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2013, 02:23:10 AM »
I feel like I would be more interested in this place if it, via HTML on a different website (scrub it of user names and it's own site s name preferably) to generate revenue for growth and be more self sustaining, and had more focus on harm reduction and changing bad laws.
That would interest me. Chemistry is fun, plants and drugs are fun but they don't keep the fire going for me. Being an activist and trying to reduce harm interests me far more.

And it is always a downer that the moderators and other well established members can cause such a ruckus about various things, talk about the superior software of the hive and fear monger that this site is going to go away like hellman or V16 or whatever.

Just now in the thread about me handing over the forum to the co op that owns wet dreams they had an issue where java suggested fishinabottle then wizard X and them had a fight.

This is exactly why I fear multiple ownership of the site. You get issues, I am predicting like what had happened with wet dreams, wet dreams reloaded and the community or whatever it is called.

Did The Hive have multiple people able to access the database?
Perhaps it is better to accept the eventual multi admin disputes resulting in branching of the forum into different communities as opposed to a full demise from a single admin like strike?

Also, I'm going go talk in half thoughts and get the opinions of others and criticism. I know it causes angst and worry about the site but there are so damn many personal he said she said issues in this site and conflicts between how to moderate and all else that really it's just a drop in the bucket and it helps me see how people behave and react.

Honestly at this point in my life I would like to make this site more open, more honest, more focused on harm reduction or just get rid of it and transfer it to an honest talented person or group of people.


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Re: Help The Vespiary Financially with no to little cost or effort on your part! :D
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2013, 02:23:37 AM »
Good points. I should have said it would be an HTML version with the adsense and not  the actual forum. This has been talked about before, and would be in my opinion just fine to do because I plan to make it all available via HTML anyway. At that pint anyone one could do it.

As for giving the forum away, did anyone ever say "yes I will operate this forum and I want to, etc?"
I should check the thread again, but everyone seemed disinterested IIRC.

If I could give it to someone, I would do that
and auction off the original Vespiary acrylic painting for bitcoins. That would make me happy and would likely be the best thing for the forum.

Hello Vesp,

Please decide if you want to 'HTML version with the adsense' ??

If it comes to it, I'll host the forum on a desktop PC, (or dedicated server) with Apache, PHP, MySQL, and TOR hidden services.
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2013, 02:33:40 AM »
Yes. I would take the HTML, make it generate revenue and you do the hosting.
That sounds fine with me.

But is it okay with everyone else and the moderators that you get such power?
To be admin, and holder of all the site and community?
I'm fine with it if you feel you are competent enough to host it. I know I am not and so I pay for hosting.
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2013, 06:17:32 AM »
Yes. I would take the HTML, make it generate revenue and you do the hosting. That sounds fine with me.

But is it okay with everyone else and the moderators that you get such power? To be admin, and holder of all the site and community?

I'm fine with it if you feel you are competent enough to host it. I know I am not and so I pay for hosting.


Vesp: Please let me clarify my position and thoughts!!

If the admin, moderators, & members here vote me to host the forum - I will do so.

Plans are A & B hosting.

Plan A: I'll host the forum on a desktop PC, (or dedicated server) with Apache, PHP, MySQL, and TOR hidden services.  Forum Admin will be Lugh, Java, & myself. Moderators remain as is.
Plan B: Maybe at 'The Collective' ??

If plan A , or B, is voted, and agreed upon, THIS WILL NOT INCLUDE HOSTING OF YOUR 'HTML GOOGLE ADSENSE' version to generate revenue on the hosting server. 
An unnecessary security risk having Google javascript running. [1a]

Your 'HTML GOOGLE ADSENSE' version of the forum, to generate revenue, will be on a 'free web hosting site [1]' SEPARATE from the forum hosting site - ALL REVENUE IS YOURS, I want nothing!!



[1] Google "free web hosting sites" and search results are...

Top 10 Free Web Hosting sites.
http://www.prchecker.info/web-hosting/top-10-free-web-hosting-sites/
http://www.prchecker.info/free-web-hosting.php
http://www.best-free-web-hosting.info/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdSense
[1a] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdSense#How_AdSense_works

http://www.makeuseof.com/tags/adsense/

Google AdSense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdSense
Google Ads. https://www.google.com.au/intl/en/ads/
Google Analytics. http://www.google.com.au/analytics/index.html#utm_source=au-ww-et-b2bfooter_global&utm_campaign=en&utm_medium=et
 Features. http://www.google.com.au/analytics/features/index.html#utm_source=au-ww-et-b2bfooter_global&utm_campaign=en&utm_medium=et
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2013, 06:41:58 AM »
The HTML backup would be my own thing and I would host it entirely and provide a zip to download the HTML archive for others to propagate /backup the content so none is lost.

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2013, 02:01:24 PM »
"If the admin, moderators, & members here vote me to host the forum - I will do so" ..........You have my vote of confidence and my continuous support, lets have some order and continuity....java
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2013, 03:15:28 PM »
I'm definitly behind WizardX!

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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2013, 07:08:42 PM »
I feel like I would be more interested in this place if it, via HTML on a different website (scrub it of user names and it's own site s name preferably) to generate revenue for growth and be more self sustaining, and had more focus on harm reduction and changing bad laws.
That would interest me. Chemistry is fun, plants and drugs are fun but they don't keep the fire going for me. Being an activist and trying to reduce harm interests me far more.

And it is always a downer that the moderators and other well established members can cause such a ruckus about various things, talk about the superior software of the hive and fear monger that this site is going to go away like hellman or V16 or whatever.

Just now in the thread about me handing over the forum to the co op that owns wet dreams they had an issue where java suggested fishinabottle then wizard X and them had a fight.

This is exactly why I fear multiple ownership of the site. You get issues, I am predicting like what had happened with wet dreams, wet dreams reloaded and the community or whatever it is called.

Did The Hive have multiple people able to access the database?
Perhaps it is better to accept the eventual multi admin disputes resulting in branching of the forum into different communities as opposed to a full demise from a single admin like strike?

Also, I'm going go talk in half thoughts and get the opinions of others and criticism. I know it causes angst and worry about the site but there are so damn many personal he said she said issues in this site and conflicts between how to moderate and all else that really it's just a drop in the bucket and it helps me see how people behave and react.

Honestly at this point in my life I would like to make this site more open, more honest, more focused on harm reduction or just get rid of it and transfer it to an honest talented person or group of people.


I feel like there's already numerous drug forums that focus on harm reduction; what makes this place unique is the clandestine drug chemistry element of it. I don't know how you would plan on transferring the emphasis of the site to harm reduction without alienating the vast majority of people here.

As for adsense revenue idea- is there really enough traffic here to make that economically viable? From what I've seen, there's only about 30 or so members active on an average day.