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Agent Madhatter

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Learning chemistry
« on: August 29, 2009, 01:50:37 AM »
Before reading this forum, I just read what I needed, and that was that. But seein how amazing this forum is and the possiblity of everything from everyday chemicals makes me want to be able to understand some of this.
 
Though going back to college won't help me much since I can't afford it, nor want to, what would be the best way to learn chemistry, the right way?

Thanks for all the help guys

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2009, 01:56:32 AM »
Collage chemistry websites by far are the best place to go learn chemistry. They have many resources avalible for there students to learn from and best of all you don't have to enroll and can just browse thru and learn at your own pace. I have a few links I will post for ya when I get them organized because they are nice. Its good that they have the basics and the advanced all in once place.


If you find something you don't understand like a word or a term put it into google before reading on to make sure you understand the text completely.

Start with the nomenclature sections until your able to envision the molecular structur from the name alone.

Last but not least never stop learning because I took a 6 year or so hiatus and the information I lost that was once burned into my brain is horrible. its not like ridding a bike and information overload can make you forget quick if your not careful.
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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2009, 01:58:55 AM »
Here is a great list of mostly helpful chemistry stuff..
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,8.0.html
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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2009, 02:09:32 AM »
See I knew he was worth it!

Once you decide what books you want, go here and pick them up. Or even go have a look around and download any entry level chemistry book you can. Considering how many excellent chem books that are there, it should keep you busy for some time;

http://avaxsearch.com/avaxhome_search?q=chemistry&a=&c=&l=&sort_by=relevance&commit=Search

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2009, 02:19:53 AM »
Didn't even think to mention it. Its not exactly noobie freindly but you might find something of interest on my site. A very large collection of various chemistry text.

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2009, 02:26:01 AM »
 do I know where to start? Should I jump right into organic chemistry? Or normal chemistry? Like I said I have a basic understanding of normal chemistry so should I re-read chemistry text books?

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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2009, 02:32:33 AM »
It seems like you don't really need to understand general chemistry to be able to jump into organic as long as you get the major concept such as bond length, strength, stability, and the major structer of atoms and molecules. Now that I re-read what I type maybe it is important to look over all the general chemistry stuff before moving onto organic. It will probably be a little less harsh that way

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2009, 02:36:35 AM »
Hmm thats really not as simple question as it sounds really.

I would say learn them both at the same time with more focus on inorganic atfirst. See the thing is organic don't behave the same but the principles that inorganic teach you are the best.

All in all go with inorganic and make a few salts and learn how to purify them. Making very large crystals(I could show you) is just as rewarding as almost anything.



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It seems like you don't really need to understand general chemistry to be able to jump into organic as long as you get the major concept such as bond length, strength, stability, and the major structer of atoms and molecules. Now that I re-read what I type maybe it is important to look over all the general chemistry stuff before moving onto organic. It will probably be a little less harsh that way

Im sorry but thsi can't be farther from the truth. Learn basic bondings and shit from inorganic before fucking with organic because you will get some screwed up ideas on how things work if ya don't.
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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2009, 02:50:29 AM »

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It seems like you don't really need to understand general chemistry to be able to jump into organic as long as you get the major concept such as bond length, strength, stability, and the major structer of atoms and molecules. Now that I re-read what I type maybe it is important to look over all the general chemistry stuff before moving onto organic. It will probably be a little less harsh that way

Im sorry but thsi can't be farther from the truth. Learn basic bondings and shit from inorganic before fucking with organic because you will get some screwed up ideas on how things work if ya don't.

Conversely, knowing inorganic chemistry while trying to learn organic chemistry can make you very confused.  I've seen far too many people think that a reaction will work just because it balances like inorganic.  Don't ever memorize either, learn it.  I don't have to search my memory when thinking of polyatomic ions, I just know what they are.  I'm sure people like vesp, sedit, enkidu (where is he?) and a few others agree with me here.

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2009, 03:01:54 AM »
So I'll start re-reading some college chemistry books, and go from there. Once I get that down, I'll move into organic chemistry.

In the meantime, I'll work on other projects of organic chemistry.

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2009, 03:10:00 AM »
Awesome! Glad you are working on learning more chemistry! Honestly I need to work on that as well. Especially lab techniques  :-\
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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2009, 03:18:53 AM »
Just pick out important topics, skim through, and go back for what you didn't get.  Reading through entire books will get tiring after quite some time.

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2009, 03:21:28 AM »
If only there was an online test for chemistry I could take, and then find out what parts I fucked up on and re-learn those.

Damn. When will the internet get easy?

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2009, 03:31:53 AM »
COLLAGE WEB SITES>>>> CHECKEM OUT...

They will teach you then test you all on the same page brother.
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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2009, 03:51:51 AM »
Ok. Well I'll look into them. I got to page three. Now I'm going over to drop some 'cid with some homies.

Thanks for the help guys. I'll be away for a day or two, but I will reply in time.

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2009, 04:13:26 AM »
They have entire college classes on YouTube. I also do remember MIT a few years ago saying they were putting all their classes up online. I think you can get by without going to college though. Although labs could be important as far as the classes go it's pretty much just reading and comprehending. I never even attended any of my college science classes since I don't need to sit for 2 hours listening to a professor read from the book (I can read perfectly fine myself thank you very much). Just buy a book and read. At the college I looked at almost all their undergrad courses use the same one book so you can get a whole undergrad knowledge just based on reading and comprehending one of those 1000 page chem books.

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2009, 08:30:51 AM »
College chem is fun. I've done it for a couple semesters or so. I used to be majoring, then minoring in chemistry at my college...then I got caught up in nursing(my primary major) and now I'm busy with that.

All in all, I thought college chem wasn't near as good as learning on my own. The only thing that was REALLY worthwhile were the labs. Lecture is just shit you could learn in your spare time.

Again, it really all depends but all in all some of the libraries here are more than enough IMO.

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2009, 09:40:14 AM »
then I got caught up in nursing(my primary major) and now I'm busy with that.

The thought of giving old men sponge baths was too much to pass up uh?

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2009, 06:31:56 PM »
Don't forget dirty diapers and urine stained beds.

Plus the pay is absolutely awesome, paid vacations, excellent insurance plans, always hiring.

I'm not complaining.

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Re: Learning chemistry
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2009, 11:17:25 PM »
^^^ Not too mention easy access to prescription drugs  ;)