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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2010, 08:42:00 PM »
Jon, I saw you post somewhere that your body seemed to "figure it out" and it sort of lost its magic with you. Was this before you realized first past metabolism was working against you? Can you give me more info about this effect?

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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2010, 04:06:30 AM »
i was wrong on that it did'nt really lose it's potency but i got accustomed to it pretty fast.
i think that's true with many potent drugs.
if i were to do it again i'd go i.v. all the way.

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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2010, 06:43:47 AM »
jon I have to ask, but if swim is dealing with 2mg feedstock, how many would you feel is a 'sufficient minimum'....100 units =0.2g  how complete is the extraction with your method?
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2010, 03:54:28 PM »
defat with naptha first then, dry then procedd to mix with methanol at least 5 X until a spot test shows no more color evaporatate you lose product to acid base chemistry
try recsytalizinzing in isoprpanol.
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2010, 08:38:30 AM »
until a spot test shows no more color evaporate .....color from what?

you lose product to acid base chemistry.....hmmmm....c'est la vie...."how much" % ?

try recsytalizinzing in isopropanol.....matey, I know you mean well 8), and I aint askin for "spoon feeding" :o...just a "few more "Details" ;D   

Can you PLEASE tell me what kind of "weights AND ratio's" you've been playin with?  Swim?(yep love it!) will be independently givin it a go. BUT No Costco here, some its gonna be a $100 play,minimum...so help them NOT WASTE (too much) time and money  ;D ;D ;D

 Go on "slow and steady" amigo, you're helping the seriously lab retarded...just PLEASE tell us "how much DID you start with"
 and just how much  "product loss   aka  'yield'

and  with the acetoxy ester what solvents did you crystallise that from-or was it in another state? ( assuming it had to be some dry form, you snorted :o,sorry insuflated it with mannitol)

 I hope you dont take this as "spoonfeeding" but I wouldnt mind some more specific parameters to work with,,,,and you're than man with THE plan....please be gentle with me 8)

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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2010, 08:45:46 AM »
^ you need a milligram scale.

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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2010, 10:25:51 PM »
i just had a seizure my computer is down for the count.
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it's worth the wait 12$/gram

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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2010, 10:30:39 AM »
"^ you need a milligram scale.",,,,"    why? its going to be in solution ???

 swims  looking achieve a successful synth, (not to ascertain yeilds in mg quantities!!!..well not yet!)

what I 'need' is more specific data :P---titrations are the least of my concerns,,solvents and ratio's are what I need help with...

I'm sure this is something you could help with enkidu if you so desired....

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« Last Edit: November 23, 2010, 10:36:46 AM by hypnos »
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2010, 12:49:02 AM »
ratios

what i've done is for every gram 10 cc of propionic anhydride and .5 grams of sodium acetate on a water bathe 3 hours between 80 and 100C with 100C prefferable.
the anhydride is evaporated and the oily organic taken up in any chlorhydrocarbon does'nt matter.

tce brake cleaner worked fine.
this is filtered of sodium acetate and then evaporated of solvent, the oily organic is placed in a  little water in a beaker and heated and ctric acid added pinch by pinch until you spot dissolution at this point simply evaporate and i would get some really pretty pearly white crystals.
very water soluble 10 mg i.v. gave me this comment:

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WOAAHHHHHHHHHH, he toook a risk, and woooh, its the real deal....Only had a little bit, 10 minutes earlire I put about 1/3 up my shooter, ahahah...Ill be wrecked, Im cool, I know my opiates, perhpas not its synthesis, and catalyst - as I was thinking one to catalyse, and one to burffer. but you put F** right on that. Talk to you soon. Im going to clean it right up, and look at a 5ger.*** unquote

from a friend's labnotes who i guided through the process beebo and erogamide can help too.
another thing is you can add methanol let it sit over night and let the methyl proionate ester form and evaporate this it has a much lower b.p. like 80C and will evaporate cleanly and quickly.
have fun!
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2010, 01:56:42 AM »
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2010, 04:55:33 PM »
just go to espacenet.com do an author search and look for zeiring and lee
you will also find this helpful
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #51 on: November 28, 2010, 04:45:18 AM »
yo bro,,nice one.....I also like the fact that its fairly 'old' chemistry done fairly simply (home lab replicable, type stuff ) with reagents swim can often access

  thanx again
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2010, 06:07:40 AM »
then quit phaffing and do it

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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2010, 01:06:20 AM »
"In unsubstituted reversed esters of
pethidine, the propionoxy esters represent the most active compounds.
Similarly, in the case of esters prepared from 4-aryl
analogues of the prodine alcohols, the propionoxy ester is invariably
superior in activity to the acetoxy ester.5 However, the
reverse is found with the corresponding N-2’-phenylethyl compounds,
the acetoxy esters being the more potent (see Table IV,
and the 3-ethyl compounds of Table V)."

Are you sure the acetoxy wouldn't be superior in this case?

we have a fairly bulky bit of substituted phenyl groups off the N-position...  Just curious from reading that paper.  If this were the case according to the approximations on their charts the acetoxy could be roughly twice as potent as the propionoxy.

Also have you played around with the ester with the para-chloro nixed off the ring.  I'm curious what kind of effect the chlorine plays on activity as well.
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2010, 07:45:05 AM »
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then quit phaffing and do it

  "slowly slowy catchee monkee" ;D     Bioassays in due time....do you want swih to do a fentanyl (mylan) extraction thread?...or would you call swih a  'tweaker'? :-\
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2010, 04:52:19 PM »
if i had the pleasure of fentanyl i would'nt bother but then you always run out

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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2010, 03:33:36 AM »
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then quit phaffing and do it

  "slowly slowy catchee monkee" ;D     Bioassays in due time....do you want swih to do a fentanyl (mylan) extraction thread?...or would you call swih a  'tweaker'? :-\

Well yes I would, a well written one matter of fact. I seen in one post that someone perhaps yourself wrote that the patches hold more Fentanyl then they deliver. This would be a serious problem for someone I know who got realllllllllllyyy fucked up on perc's and his patch that he forgot he had one on. The next day he put another on and ate some more perc's. From what I understand somewhere along the line he decided it was a great idea to chew another patch, accidently swallowing it. He was fired later that day after highjacking a company truck but as luck would have it he used his own keys in the ignition so it wouldn't start then he promptly fell alseep until the police managed to find him. Im very curious to know what sort of limit he had in his body with 3*50mcg patchs on and an undisclosed amount of oxycodone. He managed to remain semi conscience and standing even when nodding thru this HUGE amount of opiates(morphine as well mind you).
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2010, 08:19:03 AM »
OK will start it right now....But please FEEL FREE to "suggest" ideas and general assistance...

feedstock is constant and should stay that way for sometime...sorry jonmon,

.swih can say that a 50mcg/hr patch aint that strong for swih,,no matter what way its been " manipulated....that said swih has the problem of not having an "efficient" ( read "crack/meth type") pipe on hand to bioassay with,,
 
and has via a fairly thorough process of elimination and hyper consumption to (at least for swih,,who is opiod experienced..(Very..)  and thinks that ASIDE from having V good analgesic qualities,,at what seem VERY small doses...the "extraction thread"  will reveal more...fentanyl is not quite what its cracked up to be....except maybe as a major respitory depressive.....yeah its "got a buzz" but not at "therapetutic" doses....but what opiod does?
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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2010, 09:57:17 PM »
Would likely be useful to extract fentanyl for minor manipulations of the molecule.

And I am always suprised at what the body can tolerate without death.  My friend consumed 200 mg's of DOC and came out of it 3-4 days later nontheworse

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Re: propionoxy ester of loperamide being made as we speak and tried
« Reply #59 on: January 09, 2011, 07:04:37 PM »
damn!!! 200 mg DOC???
did you get a zero wrong?
that's a shit ton
well at least we know it's safer than some of the other Dox compounds.
yes fentanyl is notorious for resiratory depression not only that but it knocks you clean out so you have no recollection af any buzz you may have experiened.  I think these compounds are different (less respiratiry depression, and sedation) because they hit different mu receptor subtypes i hear there are mu1 and mu2 receptors which are responsible for different opiate side effects.