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Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
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INTENSITY: 3 to 8 for most experiences.

MATERIAL:
Mescaline is a naturally occurring psychedelic found in several cactus species, most notably, Peyote (Lophophora williamsii) and San Pedro (Trichocereus pachanoi). Several other members of the trichocereus family also contain mescaline.

Mescaline belongs to a family of compounds known as phenethylamines, making it quite distinct from the other major psychedelics which belong to the indole family. LSD, Psilocybin , harmaline, and DMT are all indoles. Many synthetic "designer" psychedelics, such as ecstasy (MDMA) and 2C-B, are phenethylamines, and are related to the chemistry of mescaline.

In addition to containing Mescaline , the cacti mentioned above contain a large variety of related psychoactive compounds, and will produce experiences that are qualitatively different than pure Mescaline . The experience produced by Peyote is also quite distinct from that produced by cacti from the trichocereus family.

The literature I've read indicates that many members of the trichocereus family are psychoactive. I've only tried three or four of these and found them to be basically equal in potency. Many references indicate that one variety, Trichocereus peruvianus, is several times as potent by weight as the other trichocereus species. Psychoactive species include:

T. bridgesii, T. cuzcoensis, T. fulvinanus, T. macrogonus, T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, T. taquimbalensis, T. tersheckii, T. validus, T. werdermannius.

HISTORY:
Peyote and San Pedro are New World psychedelics. In ancient times their use was concentrated in the regions to which they are native. Peyote was used throughout Mexico to as far north as Texas, San Pedro in the Andes mountain region of South America. The earliest known depiction of San Pedro cactus is on a stone tablet found in Peru dating to 1300 B.C. Ritual objects containing images of Peyote have been found dating back to 500 B.C. The introduction of Peyote into the U.S. and Canada, and its use by North American Indian tribes, occurred much more recently, beginning sometime in the late 1800s.

As with mushrooms, the Roman Catholic church tried to abolish the use of Peyote and San Pedro . However, they were only partially successful. Peyote use spread from Mexico to North America, and the Native American Church was formed in 1918 to preserve Native Americans' right to use Peyote . And with San Pedro , the ceremony practiced by many South American shamans continued while incorporating several Christian symbols into the rituals. The name of a Christian saint was even adopted for the cactus.

Mescaline was the first psychedelic compound to be extracted and isolated, which occurred in 1896. In 1919 it became the first psychedelic to be synthesized. For the next 35 years it remained a somewhat obscure compound known primarily to the psychiatric community. In 1953 the popular novelist Aldous Huxley read about Mescaline . Soon thereafter Huxley tried Mescaline , and brought it to the attention of the public by writing The Doors of Perception.

Today, natives throughout North America still perform sacred Peyote rituals. In South America shamans continue to hold traditional San Pedro ceremonies which are associated with healing, imparting or counteracting witchcraft, and putting one in touch with supernatural and divinatory powers. A claim frequently heard about the San Pedro experience is that the user embarks on a flight of a telepathic nature being transported across time and space. A user who embarks on this "astral journey" may perceive events happening in distant parts of the world, or in metaphysical realms. This flight phenomenon, which I have not encountered in my experience with San Pedro , may result from solanaceous plants which are frequently included in the San Pedro brew and contain the Belladonna alkaloids.

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In the U.S. Peyote is illegal for all but members of the Native American Church, and it is seldom seen in the psychedelic underground. Apparently there is even becoming a shortage for the Native American population, since the cactus grows at a very slow rate. A typical 2" diameter Peyote button may require 20 years to reach that size, and it has been harvested much faster than it can grow for many years.

Synthetic or pure crystalline Mescaline is one of the rarest psychedelics, and misrepresentation of other substances as being Mescaline is very common. I've only come across true synthetic Mescaline once in my life, but have seen items ranging from LSD to DOB (a relative of 2C-B) being sold as Mescaline several times.

Illegal drug labs rarely produce Mescaline for the underground market because of its inefficiency, high cost, and lack of a market. It requires approximately 1/2 gram of Mescaline sulfate to produce a psychedelic trip. This same amount of material would represent 4 doses of ecstasy, 20 doses of 2C-B, 50 doses of Psilocin , or 2500 doses of LSD. And without the large market of substances like ecstasy, smaller, less efficient batches must be produced, raising the cost of production even higher. The small amount of Mescaline that is produced for the psychedelic underground typically fetches from $100 to $200 per gram, ($50 to $100 per dose), clearly too expensive to become a popular street drug.

Mescaline sulfate can be distinguished by the structure of its crystals. These are approximately 1/4" long and look like fine needles or shards of glass. The amount of Mescaline needed for a high can fill two double 0 gelatin caps. Those who claim they've had Mescaline in tiny microdot pills, or as a white powder in a capsule where only 1/8th of a gram produced a powerful experience, have been given something other than real Mescaline . Another form of Mescaline which I've never tried, Mescaline hydrochloride, is said to be about 25% more potent than Mescaline sulfate.

The most readily available source of Mescaline is trichocereus cacti which can be found in many large nurseries, particularly ones that deal exclusively in cacti and succulents. I tend to buy only from nurseries that mark their cacti with the botanical names, and try to avoid asking for psychoactive cacti by name. I was quite blown out when a redneck cacti wholesaler responded to my request for Trichocereus peruvianus with "That's supposed to be a high alkaloidal content cactus, I don't know if that's the reason you're looking for it." Another cacti wholesaler sold me an unmarked cactus claiming it to be T. peruvianus. It was psychoactive, but no more so than other trichocereus species I've tried.

If the cacti sellers do not know people are buying their cacti for psychoactive purposes it is less likely to become an issue with the authorities. And since this magical plant is one of my favorite "legal" highs, I'd like to see it remain legal and available indefinitely. Trichocereus cacti are considered legal for ornamental purposes only. It is illegal to ingest, extract, or sell for psychoactive purposes: a fairly gray area of the law.

Before going cactus shopping I've found it useful to look at pictures and read physical descriptions of these varieties. Many large libraries will have a selection of books on cacti and possibly lexicons. Most varieties of trichocereus are difficult to tell apart, and I've even seen conflicting information in the keys of lexicons. However, these books should at least give one an idea of which cacti to examine the name tags on. These cacti are also frequently available from various herb and plant dealers that cater to the underground.

DOSAGE and PREPARATION:
The amount of mescaline sulfate required for a full experience is about 500 mg. (or approximately 350 mg. of mescaline hydrochloride) Pure mescaline should be taken in two half-doses about 30 minutes apart. This will minimize disturbance of the stomach, which usually passes after the first couple hours of the high. When consuming whole cacti one is actually taking a combination of alkaloids which synergistically interact with each other, producing an experience which is different, and sometimes more desirable, than pure mescaline.

The potency of Peyote, as well as different people's tolerance to it, seems to vary widely. Some people report powerful experiences from as few as three or four Peyote buttons. More often users consume 12 to 15 buttons, and eating more than two dozen is not unheard of. The amount of San Pedro one must consume to obtain the full effects is a piece approximately 10" long and 3" in diameter. Cactus is most potent when harvested during the hotter times of the year.

Trichocereus cacti are relatively quick growing and easy to make cuttings of. Each plant may produce one or more highs worth per year. When harvesting these cacti the top four inches of growing tip can be cut off to be replanted. A length from beneath this can then be cut to consume. The remaining cactus stub will also continue to grow, frequently putting out several branches where it was cut off. The tip cutting should be laid on its side in the sun until the exposed flesh calluses. Once this has occurred, it should be placed upright in a half soil/half sand mixture with good drainage. When cutting the lower, consumable section of the cactus, care should be taken to cut at an angle, going upwards toward the middle of the plant. The fleshy part of the cactus will shrink in where it was cut, and if cut straight across it will form a bowl that will hold water and tend to mold.

To prepare San Pedro for consumption I first cut out the spines, which is fairly easy to do on most trichocereus. The next step I take is to cut the skin off in "V" strips, cutting from the outside of each rib into the central section of the cactus. These "V" strips are saved as they contain the most potent flesh, although the skin itself is thick, waxy and not edible.

The process of eating San Pedro is definitely not fun. It can be tolerated by most serious trippers, but it is difficult to consume enough cactus to get a powerful high. The taste of different trichocereus species ranges from very bitter to tasteless, the varieties with less taste tending to have a slimy consistency. With these varieties the texture is the main obstacle to consuming large quantities. I chew the cactus to a pulp and then wash it down with some liquid. It also helps to eat some full-grain bread as I'm doing this to soak up the liquid in my stomach.

The dark green flesh next to the skin is the most potent part of the cactus and should be eaten first. I do this by flattening out the "V" strips and scraping the flesh off of the skin with my teeth. I then proceed to the central part of the cactus. This should be eaten around like corn on the cob. The flesh on the protruding ribs should be eaten first. The core is woody and not edible. The high begins coming on some 45 minutes after ingesting, and since it takes a while to consume the cactus, one may start feeling high while they are still eating.

The psychoactive alkaloids can also be extracted using water or alcohol. To extract in water one needs to mash the cactus and boil for several hours. One friend reports excellent results by boiling just the skin with 3/8" of flesh attached to it, evaporating off all the liquid at about 140 degrees F, and then powderizing the resulting residue and packing it in gelatin capsules.

Peyote is even more difficult to eat than San Pedro as the taste is extremely bitter. Some people find that by accepting the flavor and not cringing from it they are able to get past any aversion to eating it. One friend even told me that dried Peyote took on the flavor and consistency of good chocolate. However, those like myself who find the taste intolerable can pulverize the dried buttons and pack them into gelatin capsules.

THE HIGH:
The mescaline experience is my favorite of the traditional psychedelics (LSD, psilocybin, mescaline). I find it has the advantages of acid: a lucid, penetrating, focused ability of the mind, rather than the more dreamy, drifting state I get from mushrooms. However, I feel totally relaxed with mescaline, even calmer than I feel on mushrooms, and there's no trace of the metallic edge usually felt on acid.

Eating whole cactus produces a more body-oriented high than pure mescaline. San Pedro usually produces a very smooth, flowing experience. However, the effects of Peyote are quite different due to its unique mixture of alkaloids. With Peyote, the first couple hours of the experience are very dream-like, drifting, almost a delirium type state. During this time I feel groggy and sleepy and can do little more than lay back and sink into the feeling, which is not unpleasant. Some element of Peyote also acts as an emetic, making most people nauseous about two hours into the trip.

I find the mescaline experience to be more visual than mushrooms or acid. However, I've only experienced really spectacular visuals when using synthetic mescaline. My high tolerance to most psychedelics, along with the capacity of my stomach, has prevented me from ever being as high as I would have liked when eating whole cactus. Like psilocybin, mescaline tends to link me with collective evolutionary consciousness more than synthetics like LSD. The experiences produced by these natural psychedelics seem more "significant" than an acid high, which is more analytical. An acid high often seems to be a by-product of magnifying the mind, whereas with mushrooms and cactus one feels they are in touch with something ancient, spiritual, and personal. Mescaline has a unique signature in this context which I find most magical, a feeling that the Gods or protective allies are smiling down on me. The duration can be 6 to 14 hours depending on the amount consumed. The "coming back" portion of a mescaline trip is smoother than with the other traditional psychedelics. And I've never felt the "drained of energy" or "neural overload" feeling that can come after an intense acid trip. This allows for a more conscious and therapeutic return to regular consciousness, after which I can easily sink into sleep and wake up feeling refreshed.

Some aspects of the mescaline high are quite distinct from LSD or mushrooms. The visions produced by mescaline have a different character and structure. When being overtaken by a full strength mescaline trip, I've felt more than with any traditional psychedelic that I was an extraterrestrial being, immersing myself in new sensory phenomena for the first time. Where LSD or psilocybin heighten and clarify the sense of hearing, mescaline produces auditory hallucinations, heightening the hearing sense but also causing sounds to be quite different than normal. Mescaline also sharpens the olfactory sense to a much finer degree than LSD or psilocybin. I've particularly noted this in my ability to perceive the smells of numerous different plants when using synthetic mescaline outdoors. As for aphrodisiacal use of mescaline, wow!, it brought energies out of me that I never knew I had.

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Re: Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2011, 03:43:05 PM »
Thought this might be a nice addition to this thread

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Re: Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2011, 10:56:45 PM »
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Mescaline sulfate can be distinguished by the structure of its crystals. These are approximately 1/4" long and look like fine needles or shards of glass.

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Is THIS a San Pedro!?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 11:41:11 PM »
I was allways interested in making/extracting/trying mescaline but cacti that have it
in significant amounts sounded too exotic to exist here.

This is what I found in few gardens.

If anybody knows if this is San Pedro and what kind of strain it is (Is it worth extracting!?)
please notify me!

I am cautious since I am pretty ignorant on this subject,you know...
You can find two moshrooms that looks allmost the same,one is edible other is poisonous,
hope this isn't case here!


« Last Edit: May 10, 2011, 11:57:47 PM by Oerlikon »
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Re: Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2011, 12:25:33 AM »
Could be but hard to tell as they have a lot of variation . They can have 4 to 12 ribs but usualy 6 . The only way to tell for sure is ask a real expert . BUT if it isnt a Pachanoi it could be something similar and contain the goods . If it is a good one youll need one between the size and length of your forarm includeing fist to the size and length of your leg from ankle to knee . Then eitrher make an weak acid water extract , filter and drink it or make crystals from that extract .OR harvest and cut the skin off and dry it and eat that . The skin has the most goods in it .

This one is cute ------>

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Re: Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2011, 10:55:00 PM »
This one on the picture is about that size but one next to him is bigger.
Why does the size matters?! You know anyone who can tell me reliably!?
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Re: Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2011, 11:38:58 PM »
The size matter because of the content / dose and the persons size. The content can vary . The doses i said are for pachanoi .

To certainly identify one one needs an expert because they can vary in how they look and there are also hybrids / crosses . I`ve seen ones that looked typical and ones that didnt . Some had spines and others didnt .

The pictures below are all suposed to be Echinopsis pachanoi = San Pedro . The only one that i know for sure is San Pedro is the first one .

If i were you i`d try it and see . The doseing is always fun because one only knows how strong it is when one trys it .

An example ---> I nearly blew my head off in february trying an extract . I thought if i took a table spoon full i`d be OK . After two hours nothing had happened so i ate two mouth fulls of spagetti and within ten minutes or so i was tripping . The first 5 hours were VERY physical and i couldnt keep any position . I had to keep moveing from one to another . The next 7 hours was realy nice though . The trip was about 19 hours .

Hope that helps . If you have any questions please ask . Have fun .

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2011, 11:43:12 PM »
LOL I am definitely not kind of guy who want's to play with drug doses like that,specialy halucinogens!
Extracting mescaline salt and weighting exact dose is way to go first time.

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Re: Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2011, 11:52:37 PM »
Yep . Then harvest both and extract them but remember that they dont only contain mescalin they contain other alkaloids too = If you want to be realy sure youd have to clean the extract up so its only mescalin = a realy lovely drug and loads of nice colours .

With the extract i took i thought i`d taken about a quarter of a dose and after an hour i was thinking of takeing another 3 table spoons full because nothing had happened ............ I`m glad i didnt ........ LOL

The picture is of the table spoon full .

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Re: Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2011, 01:12:04 AM »
It looks like a tar or unsucesefull case of treating diharea with activated carbon.
Definitely doesn't look like something edible!

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2011, 03:41:42 AM »
Yikes, some poor soul ate three spoonfulls of that tar?

Might I suggest dissolving that tar in the smallest amount of EtOH possible just to make it fluid, add Ether or some other organic solvent with a slight polarness to it. Add acetone, chill it. Decant the liquid from the shit that will more then likely settle out. Gas the solvent and filter the precipitate.

Atlest this way you are dealing with a small amount of something and not a ton of crap in your belly for a substace that already causes stomach issues.
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2011, 04:21:49 AM »
HAHAHA that is so gross!
Is that the infamous Pedro slime people eat?
All these nice pictures of psychedelic cactus then there is that spoon of black tar :D

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Re: Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2011, 06:31:51 PM »
Thanks for the info Sedit but where i am i cant get any sensible solvents and the suposidly OTC ones need cleanimng up and i havent got the means to do that . ( <--- Thats why i say drain cleaner when i mean drain cleaner because the drain cleaner here isnt NaOH  its KoH  mixed with other things one of wich is ,powdered aluminium .)

How it was made ->

That was an extract made with about 12 cms X 6 meters of pachanoi and peruvianus variations brought to a low boil and then let cool and filtered in acidifyed water = UTC ( = Under The Counter ) battery acid = 38 % sulphuric acid .. Then the same was done in only water two times and filtered . The 3 mixed extracts were cooked down and then put in a fridge at -20 C to dry out . After the drying the end extract was about 2.5 liters wich shrunk to about 1 .75 liters in the fridge .

It was made a long time ago and is now gone .

My / the experience ->

A lot of people say that plant extracts taste awfull but i dont think so . For me ayahuasca tastes like good whiskey mixed with good thick sherry and dark chocolate . When its been well filtered it has the look and consistency of good thick sherry . That tar was easy to get down and tasted to me a little earthy , rooty and had a tinge of vanilla . It went down easily with one small swig od orange juice , then another to get it off my tounge and then a third to get rid of the bitter mescalin taste . That disapeared after the third small swig of orange juice . It is bitter but other prescription drugs are MUCH more bitter and / or disgusting in taste . Zapiclon being a very good example .

The storys of people being sick on lant extracts are exagerated . Yes sometimes they make people be sick but thtas usualy only a few mouthfulls and is more like wet burping thatn spweing . it can not be compared to real pukeing like travel sickness , sea sickness or being drunk wich are realy dreadfull . Its also very pasive and not violently throwing up .

The storys of elephant snot are also wrong . When one cooks the cut up cactus it does have the consistency of elephant snot but when its cooked down a little it looses that and becomes like watery treacle and eventualy becomes like wet asphalt . As it cooks down it separates into the watery bit and a greasy gunk part . The gunk part sticks to the side of the pan and to the stiring spoon and also contains the goods .

Some people mix the powdered skin with water and that may get the consistancy of elephant snot but swallowing the powder with a small swig of orange juice is easy to do .

The picture below shows the tary part ( Top ) and the gungky part ( Bottom ). The other picture is extracted mixed alkaloid base from another extraction .

"Well enjoy it!"

Thanks ..... I did ..

Trip report ->

After the discomfort that one always gets with cacti and such cacti extracts the trip was realy cute . It was like looking at the world through two panes of glass with running water between them and the first pane haveing hundreds of little exactly the same palm tree and sometimes just the capital letter T images scatered evenly over it . The walls and floor didnt breath and move like on a decent LSD trip but there were rainbows all over the place and i had a lot of after vision . I was realy clear mentaly and the boundrys of me didnt disolve like with LSD and mushrooms where the me part of me feels like its tripping . With ayahuasca and cacti i feel like the me is me watching a trip .

Pesronaly i`d rather take a big dose of pure mescalin but thats very rare and i wont do another raw cacti extract again as i dont need any discomfort .
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2011, 06:38:39 PM »
Keep in mind my statement is just a rough outline. Its never been performed personally but I have worked with many amine containing plant extracts and goos. As far as the solvents needing cleaned before using them this is highly doubtful. For the most part the salting of the amine will lend itself to purity.
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2011, 07:00:09 PM »
Thanks . I take it that that means that the  wash benzine / terpentine substitute for cleaning paint brushes and metal parts that can be bought here will do fine ? Its not pure its 60 % so i thought that it could cause problems . I`d been thinking about "Shit in = shit out" .......

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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2011, 01:19:49 AM »
Hmmm I dunno about that one. Most solvents around here are relatively clean but 60% is not to great because there could be alot of shit in there that comes over. Given that I don't know whats in it I can't really suggest using it at all. I was thinking more along the lines of Napthas or Xylenes type solvents.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2011, 02:52:23 AM »
Yep . Then harvest both and extract them but remember that they dont only contain mescalin they contain other alkaloids too = If you want to be realy sure youd have to clean the extract up so its only mescalin = a realy lovely drug and loads of nice colours .

Those others contribute to the unpleasant body load and restlessness. The spectrum includes everything from mescaline analogs, mildly active methylenedioxy compounds, MAOIs, and a few sympathomimetic substances.

Since the spectrum of active alkaloids in the popular cacti is primarily composed of phenethylamines, an easy separation will not be possible under crude conditions.

Pure mescaline would almost have to come via the synthetic route, which is no simple task, even though it can be done fully OTC.

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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2011, 10:46:44 AM »
thats a bad way to extract cacti there mate.

sulfuric acid for a cactus is dangerous.

how do you know how much acid to add to get a neutral ph you cant ask the cacti :)

better to use an acid that does not hurt people when consumed.

acetic if you can handle it or citric if you cant :)

ive had the pleasure of a few cacti in the past.

you can usualy tell the good ones by the size of the spikes.
the pick with the large spikes will be no good I think.

usually a bunch of 5mm too 10mm spikes 5 too 7 or so in each spike node.

ive drank the goop it made everyone I know chuck other than my self.
but it did not come out black like burnt plant matter from sulfuric acid.
it was a horrid green.

maby try and get all of your extract into aqua layer with an edible acid.
then wash the water layer three times with a NP solvent.
any will do even distilled petrol.
once you have done this then boil down your solution and see what you get.

the NP washes will remove most of the fats from the plant making it easier to
get to a solid.

the second you get it down to the goop put it on a pyrex dish and slowly let it evap
all of the water out.
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Re: Mescaline/Cactus FAQs
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2011, 02:56:29 PM »
Pure mescaline would almost have to come via the synthetic route, which is no simple task, even though it can be done fully OTC.

synth? nahh

see the pics I posted of mesc sulfate? the mp was taken with a Unimelt, 184-187 C. that's rather pure.
that extraction was done on some typical-looking goop, a buddy thought he f'ed up an extraction, and gave it to me to process. The extraction on that was done by adding vinegar to the goop, putting it in jars, and PC'ing 40 mins to lyse the cells. pH was adjusted to 4.26 in the aqueous phase, and 12.68 in the basic phase. extracted with xylene, added dilute sulfuric acic, evaporated, washed with warm acetone/water, then crash out.
the trick is monitoring pH, observing the %age of microspecies at various pH (pKa plugin in Marvin Sketch), and doing a few crystallizations (i opted for sonocrystallization in cold 60:40 acetone:water), then crashing out in the freezer.  
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2011, 09:30:53 AM »
take about a meter of pedro,
chop up, THE WHOLE CACTUS.
blender with water until smooth.
boil for 6 - 9 hours with straining once or twice after at least 6 hours.

drink 2 cups - 400mililiters ish.