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NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« on: February 20, 2010, 04:24:02 AM »
An Efficient and Practical System for the Catalytic Oxidation of Alcohols, Aldehydes, and a,b-Unsaturated Carboxylic Acids
Joseph M. Grill, James W. Ogle, and Stephen A. Miller
J. Org. Chem. 2006, 71, 9291-9296

Standard procedure for the oxidation of primary alcohols under solvent free conditions was followed with phenylethylalcohol. Green NiCl2 sol turned nasty black as cold bleach was added. Reaction pulled from ice with a little salt at 2hrs. Reaction looked the same, black. Reaction left to stir at room temp for additional 2 hrs. At about the 3.3hr mark, shortly before it should be worked up, the researcher thought that because of the low room temp it might be a good idea to turn on the hot plate to get the temp up to 25. The researcher was surprised to find the flask was already warm. The researcher then decided to allow the reaction to stir until it returned to ambient temperature. The researcher was again surprised at the 5.5-6hr mark when the black opaque reaction mixture that was left had turned into a cloudy light green.

The doctors say that catalytic amounts of NiCl2 turns into nickel oxide hydroxide insoluble nanoparticles, Ni3O2(OH)2, with the addition of bleach which oxidizes the alcohol/aldehyde and is then re-oxidized by the excess bleach back to nickel oxide hydroxide.

6 NiCl2 + 4 NaOCl + 2 H2O -> Ni3O2(OH)2 + 4 NaCl + 2 HCl + 2 Cl2
Is this right?

Now these products, once there is no more bleach to re-oxidize then reformed the original NiCl2, giving the green color? Why isn't the reaction mix acidic?

The mix is neutral to litmus and has a chlorine and PAA ester smell. If one made the mix acid with HCl, then distilled, could the NiCl2 be recovered and the PAA + ester steam distilled at the same time? Does phenylacetic acid steam distill?

The workup the docs use sucks. Why bother with solvent free conditions to then go and use a shitload of solvents? Since it is neutral, base it and concentrate, remove ester(or perhaps steam distill it), acidify and crystallize PAA, vac to dryness to recover NiCl2, perhaps needing a non polar at that point to remove residual PAA from the NiCl2.

Be unkind. The researcher wants this thing perfect, because compared to all the other oxidations performed, this one is the best by a long shot, especially if the yield is 90%+.

Even more so if pool shock can be used and the concentration increased.

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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2010, 12:22:17 AM »
Overnight the mix turned a golden clear. The researcher might have been off about the smell of chlorine. It smells now of ester and -ene(toluene? crap). The researchers senses might have been a bit rattled by the 2ft tube steamroller prope dope hits. Or the hours of frenzied masturbation. Or both.

The mix was made strongly basic and refluxed for 2hrs. It turned brown. The mix was concentrated by distilling off water+yet to be determined players.

Anything that can be separated from the concentrated mix will be, then the mix made strongly acid by HCl and hopefully precipitate some PAA. Might even try to get the NiCl2 back or re-use it for the next test directly.

Now, how does one tame this reaction and turn it into the very best kind, the kind you can set to stir, go to bed, and wake up with product?

The researcher says bleach/sodium hypochlorite(NaOCl) must be changed to pool shock/calcium hypochlorite(Ca(OCl)2). The hypochlorite is our terminal oxidant and therefore can be used to stop this bitch automatically. Problem with bleach is that when the bottle says 5% or 6.5%, it actually means that they have put a shitpile of it in there so that after months on the shelf and it breaking down it will still have at least that much. Eff titration! As the hoes say, "We want E-Z!". So pool shock is easy.

The researcher will continue the chem wasting and report back with the outcome of the current and the planned experiment.

If this has been covered on another board, please point it out. It sucks to learn the hard way when someone else already has.

I assume aqua regia makes nickel chloride from nickel metal?

Oh, and since it might be of interest...

Abstract from the attached paper:
Upon exposure to commercial bleach (~5% aqueous sodium hypochlorite), nickel(II) chloride or nickel-
(II) acetate is transformed quantitatively into an insoluble nickel species, nickel oxide hydroxide. This
material consists of high surface area nanoparticles (ca. 4 nm) and is a useful heterogeneous catalyst for
the oxidation of many organic compounds. The oxidation of primary alcohols to carboxylic acids, secondary
alcohols to ketones, aldehydes to carboxylic acids, and a,B-unsaturated carboxylic acids to epoxy acids
is demonstrated using 2.5 mol % of nickel catalyst and commercial bleach as the terminal oxidant. We
demonstrate the controlled and selective oxidation of several organic substrates using this system affording
70-95% isolated yields and 90-100% purity. In most cases, the oxidations can be performed without
an organic solvent, making this approach attractive as a “greener” alternative to conventional oxidations.

Experimental section from the attached paper:
Standard Procedure for the Oxidation of Primary Alcohols
and Aldehydes. A 500 mL flask was charged with NiCl2 hexahydrate
(0.27 g, 1.14 mmol) and water (5 mL). A primary alcohol or
an aldehyde (45 mmol) was added followed by (optional) dichloromethane
(15 mL). The reaction was cooled in an ice bath, and
cold bleach (300 mL) was added in a steady stream over 5 min. A
fine black precipitate formed immediately. The resulting slurry was
stirred for 2 h at 0 °C and 2 h at room temperature. The slurry was
then acidified with 2 M hydrochloric acid until the aqueous layer
was strongly acidic by pH paper. The aqueous layer was extracted
with diethyl ether (3 x 100 mL). The combined organic extracts
were dried over anhydrous MgSO4 and filtered. Removal of the
solvent by rotary evaporation and brief high vacuum gave the crude
product. The purities could generally be improved to >98% by
distillation of the crude product or by recrystallization in the case
of solids.

Yes, the researcher strayed from the plan. This was on purpose. First, this uses a lot of bleach and then in quite a "green" way, uses as much solvent to extract the mess as bleach was used. Not very green! The researcher succeeded in getting a feel for this and also in verifying where the improvements can be made.

If someone could post a better idea of the equations of what is going on in this reaction, it would be appreciated.

Cheap, fast, not spewing death way to oxidize alcohols and aldehydes and nobody cares? Hmm...

EDIT---> Thank you to whoever found this ref. Probably java. But also whoever asked for it. Good stuff!
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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 10:39:01 PM »
The original was tossed out of sheer wastefulness. Another was started with 1/3 the bleach amount from the ref and left to stir overnight. It was worked up much more frugally than the docs. A beaker full of needle crystals were formed.

This reaction makes benzoic acid out of phenylethanol. Crap. At least it did letting it sit overnight.

The reactants are cheap so this almost dead horse will be beat again super cold with Ca(OCl)2 for precise control of the terminal oxidant.

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 12:33:57 AM »
Its interesting, I am unfamaliiar with nickel oxide hydroxide, I plugged it into wiki and got this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel(III)_oxide.

The reaction youve written beiing
6 NiCl2 + 4 NaOCl + 2 H2O -> Ni3O2(OH)2 + 4 NaCl + 2 HCl + 2 Cl2

If nickel has been oxidised then it would have to be 2+  >   3+ therefore having Ni3O2(OH)2  being (3)nickel +9 with 2 Oxygen -4 amd two OH being -2 therefore total is -6 which is along way from -9 which youd have to have to counteract the +9 of the nickel. The wiki article suggests NiOOH, which is Ni +3 and Oxygen -2 and OH -1 total being -3, which fits the bill. Also if you have a hydroxide ion OH in the product side, as well as HCl ect, your going to produce H2O and Cl- and if youve got an oxidant in the mix, you might of smelt Cl2, which overal may account for neutral pH.
Also youve got 6 NiCl2 on the reactant side with only I nickel of the nickel oxide hydrocide, on the product side. I am somewhat passing through, and hope what I have said is so. I am sort of rushed, but will come back to it.

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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 02:35:02 AM »
In that ref the doctors say, "Upon exposure to commercial bleach (~5% aqueous sodium hypochlorite), nickel(II) chloride or nickel-
(II) acetate is transformed quantitatively into an insoluble nickel species, nickel oxide hydroxide."

That's it for the mention. I chemdraw-ed it to Ni3O2(OH)2. I just went by what chemdraw gave me. Like I typed, I'm not sure about any of it.

NiCl2 + NaOCl + H2O -> Ni3O2(OH)2 + ? I don't know.

Although this didn't work(yet) for what I originally wanted it to, it seems a nice replacement for potassium permanganate.

The benzoic hasn't been weighed yet but there was a tiny bit of residual alcohol. Half the beach amount from the ref would probably be a nice starting point to go -OH to carb acid. It seems 1/3 was a little deficient.

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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 05:17:38 AM »
This molecule is unfamiliar to me, best I read the article in full, and not jump to conclusions to soon.

Just brieflly it seems that the nickel Chloride > nickel oxide hydroxide acts as a catalyst as its stated, so the oxidant is the HOCl -
so the products would be H2O and NaCl. and the insoluble Nickel oxide hydroxide. I think. Its very interesting use of reagants

" While exploring the scope of this
reaction, we observed several unusual reactions. Initially, our
principal research interests were in applying nickel oxide
hydroxide/NaOCl toward epoxidation catalysis. This catalyst
system does not react with most standard olefins such as styrene
and 1-hexene. However, as previously discussed, R,â-unsaturated
carboxylic acids are readily epoxidized. We reasoned that
the acid functional group was binding to the surface of the
heterogeneous catalyst and thus positioning the olefin to accept
an oxygen atom. The requirement of a directing group would
explain the inertness of standard olefins."
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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 03:08:42 PM »
It really is slick. The only requirement for solvent free conditions is that your alcohol/aldehyde must be liquid. The next plan is to use a fraction of the NiCl2 used in the ref and a 1.05 eq of pool shock terminal oxidant (EDIT->for alcohol to carb acid is 2.1 for bleach, things being equal, but the actual amount of NaOCl in bleach is unknown and the reason for its replacement) added in portions to a concentrated mix.

Regardless of the complicated dance that is actually going on, the oxygen from NaOCl is what ends up oxidizing the target, I guess.

For such a clean reaction, the "throw a shitpile of bleach in it" part sucks. Ca(OCl)2 should work fine.

Oh, in case anyone cares, the work-up was to make reaction mix acidic with HCl, at which point a shitload of oil fell out. It was thrown in the fridge-o-evil but didn't crystallize, attributed to remaining alcohol. The oil was separated, reaction mix extracted with small amount of toluene, oil and extract combined and stirred with strongly basic water. Toluene layer was separated, aq got another splash of tol and separated, then aq layer made acidic by HCl and refrigerated. Bam-o, flask of benzoic acid needle crystals. Toluene was saved for eventual distillation to check for alcohol/aldehyde.
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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 10:00:21 PM »
Sorry I missed this thread, I do like a good experimental!

"Regardless of the complicated dance that is actually going on, the oxygen from NaOCl is what ends up oxidizing the target, I guess"

Indirectly;

Nickel Oxide Hydroxide, is what oxidizes the alcohol. Adding catalytic amounts of Nickel(II)Salts in excess sodium hypochlorite generates and regenerates NiOOH, it is stated in the paper that "it is reasonable to assume that oxidation is occuring on the catalyst's surface".

Please post your exact method Disposable Stirbar (important to include how much reagents you added), as if it is similar to the modifications you made on the procedure I can see why it failed. First off you seem to really want this to be an overnight reaction, which it is not!! It goes 4 hours max!!!!!!!!!! 2 hours at 0*C no higher, and 2 hours at room temperature NO HIGHER!!!.

You were doing things that seemed to me to be crazy, like after letting it sit for like 20 hours you then refluxed with NaOH ??? I am sure I did not read that in the experimental, if you want something to work follow the procedure in the paper to the letter. You were asking why the post reaction solution is not acidic is because hypochlorite raises the pH, after the reaction is complete you need to protonate the negatively charged oxygen on the carbonyl terminus that is currently a soluble sodium salt hence adding HCl. The reaction makes perfect sense until you start changing things, calcium hypochlorite is more stable and less soluble than its sodium analog (two reasons it will be inferior in this reaction). And the sodium ions are preferential to have floating around in this reaction, as they end up on the carboxylic acid as a soluble sodium salt which keeps it in solution where it can react with the reagents, after the reaction is finished HCl addition which protonates the carboxylic acid which forces it out of solution as an oil where it can be worked up. Also the researchers in question will have rotavaps so all their solvent would be recycled.

btw; If after 2 hours at 0*C and 2 hours at room temperature, you acidify the black nickel oxide solution. And still receive benzoic acid, you have benzyl alcohol and not 2-phenylethanol.
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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2010, 12:18:49 AM »
Thanks Naf for sheding some more light on this, my comment of it must be the sodium hypochlorite, wasn't so well thought out, as it doesn't ususally get used to go from primary alcohol to COOH, I think it can be used with secondary alcohols > ketones, but requires a proton source to form HOCl. Not seeing acidic conditions bothered me, etc. So seeing your views sorted that out. Id like to see and understand the mechanism of this, and will check the lit, as I am finding it interesting.

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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2010, 09:41:00 PM »
"I think it can be used with secondary alcohols > ketones, but requires a proton source to form HOCl"

It can be, but does not require a proton source. The reaction is nearly identical, but you can see in the paper the acidic work up is missing for ketones! As you can make a sodium salt of a carboxylic acid, but not a ketone. So it is unnecessary to add HCl, as you will not be adding a proton and can extract it with non-polar solvent as it is. Whereas most carboxylic acids will become a water soluble sodium salt, and need to be neutralized with HCl before being worked up with non-polar solvent. That is the only reason they use HCl in THAT procedure!

You would now be referring to the paper below, which proceeds via a different mechanism consistent with what you where talking about. Primary alcohols generally give esters with that method (although benzyl alcohol gives benzaldehyde), and the use of the more stable calcium hypochlorite can be beneficial. But secondary alcohols can also be oxidized to ketones with NiOOH as well as oxidation of aldehydes to their respective carboxylic acid and epoxidation of a,b-unsatured carboxylic acids.;

Convenient and Inexpensive Procedure for Oxidation of Secondary Alcohols to Ketones
Stevens R, Chapman K, Weller H. 1980
J. Org. Chem
45:2030-2032
http://www.quimica.ufpr.br/armo/experimentos/oxidationNaOCl.pdf

The Oxidation of Alcohols and Ethers Using Calcium Hypochlorite
S.O. Nwaukwa and P.M. Keehn
Tet. Lett. 23(1), 35-38 (1982)
http://thevespiary:depidyhk@www.thevespiary.org/rhodium//Rhodium/chemistry/ether2ester.hypochlorite.html

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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 02:46:28 PM »
The reasons for variance from the ref were as follows...

1) The solvent volumes suck. There is lots of "new chem" that looks great on paper, but following the ref means how many liters for 250g? Then an equal amount of solvent added to work it up?

2) The crazy NaOH was to hydrolyze the ester that might have been smelled and allow separation of unreacted starting alcohol/aldehyde/whatever.

This thing rocks socks in 4hrs but makes a mess of things after an extended time. I still defend that there is too much bleach and that things don't have to go that fast. Perhaps calcium hypochlorite isn't such a bad idea? Not as reactive? That doesn't seem so bad.

The phenylethanol is good. It came with papers and made beautiful phenylacetic acid from an inverse addition refluxing sodium dichromate/H2SO4 oxidation. It made benzoic acid from KMnO4 in the few reactions that were attempted and then this reaction run for too long.

For good science, this will be run at exactly the scale of the ref, following the directions exactly for the solvent free variation and reported. I hope that under control it will make PhEtOH->PAA. If so it will immediately lead to the disposable stirbar Vespiary edition(TM) pool shock variation.

I can tell you that if I had a load of gravel to bring to my house I would take it all in one go in a truck, not a stone at a time in a ferrari, no matter how cool it looks to go fast.

Naf1, thanks for the info. I will read the papers and be back.

Love of the experiment is the reason for all of this!

Just a quick look at the "The Oxidation of Alcohols and Ethers Using Calcium Hypochlorite" from Rhod's page shows that there is nothing new under the sun and I was thinking in exactly the same way as those doctors. As far as the ester party they made, they are doing things in an acid reaction. I still bet that if this reaction, run as written, can make PAA without cleaving it to benzoic, then it is in need of being put "under control" and that calcium hypochlorite might just be the hot ticket.
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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 11:45:45 PM »
So a standard run should go like this, right:

0.27grams of NiCl2 *6H2O with 5ml of water, 45mmol of primary alcohol is added. 2-phenylethanol mol weight= 122.16g/mol, with a density of 1.017g/cm3 so 5.4ml is added. The solution cooled in an ice bath and 300ml of 5% NaOCl solution added over a 5 minute period, they note a black precipitate they refer to the mass at this time as slurry inferring it is paste like! is stirred at 0*C for 2 hours and then at room temp for 2 hours. The slurry is then acidified with 2M HCl (7.3%) until strongly acidic (pH 2), extracted with non-polar solvent. 

"I still defend that there is too much bleach and that things don't have to go that fast."

300mls of 5% NaOCl means there is around 15grams of NaOCl in that 300ml, to 5.5grams of primary alcohol a less than 3 fold excess! And they clearly state in the paper that if you cut down the bleach you have increase the nickel oxide hydroxide content to stoichometric quantities. Using just catalytic amounts of NiCl2 you need that excess which is less than a three fold one. You could increase the hypochlorite concentration from 5%, but this may have deleterious effect on the aclohol. And bleach can be bought over the counter by the gallon cheaply, you need vigorous conditions to do anything to primary alcohol and calcium hypochlorite may not have the power to generate the NiOOH in sufficient quantities. The researchers studied this reaction and came up with the best conditions.

"I can tell you that if I had a load of gravel to bring to my house I would take it all in one go in a truck, not a stone at a time in a ferrari, no matter how cool it looks to go fast."

But running small pilot runs to test you have the reaction right and proving the concept, before putting all your eggs in one basket is smart in chemistry. As it sometimes take a couple of runs to get the max yield, and to iron out inevitable problems. But hey, no one ever said you could not add the reagents to a large garbage pail and then slowly add 30 litres of bleach, stirring with a concrete mixing drill bit. After the reaction take out large aliquots to acidify and work up in a more appropriate vessel, I had never mentioned any labglass just that you should stick to the paper! Once you have proved the concept and received the yield quoted, by all means experiment and try and improve it (but it is better to do this on a small scale as you can do more reactions at one time without wasting a truck full of gravel to realize you did one little thing wrong that had you known prior you would not have done).

"For good science, this will be run at exactly the scale of the ref, following the directions exactly for the solvent free variation and reported. I hope that under control it will make PhEtOH->PAA. If so it will immediately lead to the disposable stirbar Vespiary edition(TM) pool shock variation."

Awesome! Thanks, I look forward to it! Also I just thought that the solvent may help you here as you said it can get solid, a solvent by definition would fix that!

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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2010, 01:57:13 AM »
"Please post your exact method"
"Standard procedure for the oxidation of primary alcohols under solvent free conditions was followed with phenylethylalcohol."
Variations and observations were noted.

After the damage was done, things were tried to try and salvage what had obviously gone all square shaped. It was only after the effects of excessive oxidizer were compared with the times reported by the doctors(benzoic in <20min @20C) that the not entirely crazy idea was hatched to try this with "close" to equimolar amounts of OCl. Of course the original plan was to folow the ref, but it got warmer then room temp so the researcher wanted to see what it would do, the outcome was analyzed and assumptions for optimizations were made.

The problem with doing your math at 5% is that isn't what's actually in the bottle. That is another of the problems I had mentioned. Bleach is not the most stable reagent/cleaning product. The manufacturers put in WAY more than 5% to insure it still has 5% by the time you bring it home. Check it out.

By "slurry" they are meaning liquid with insol. black dust in it, but it is only a small % of the mix. It is easily mag stirred and appears quite liquid.

That's awesome you did the math! Yeah, I have an excel sheet of it. I prefer weighing everything, so 6.1g, or 61.3 10x. Know that this battler had put at least a minute or two of thought into planning :) I know that a lot of people get their significant figures all off and put a lot of effort into the wrong things but I think the whole volume measure at different temps adds variables. I can assure you the royal we has nothing that can measure 5.4mL.

It's nice you pointed out the hexahydrate as well.

At micro scale it is tough to notice but this thing generates heat, too. Not a lot, but it is obvious.

"acidified with 2M HCl (7.3%)" I wasn't aware that PAA needed kid gloves.

So yeah, back to following the ref and report.

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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 02:24:24 AM »
If its getting warm on the ice bath you need slower addition of NaOCl, as you are adding it to quick. Also they are just neutralizing the solution with a 2M HCl buffer, so although phenylacetic could handle much higher concentrations it is not standard practice to neutralize with conc. acid. 

"5% is that isn't what's actually in the bottle"

You are right but it is an estimate that for a 5% solution will be nearly spot on so gives a good idea of the ratios needed. If you have a solution with a known higher concentration I would dilute it down to 5% accordingly before the reaction as thats what the paper calls for and any excess will generate more heat.

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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2010, 02:47:57 AM »
There is supporting info available for the first paper you cited;

http://127.0.0.1/Naf1/jo0612574si20060921_114057.pdf

 there is about 25 pages of the actual experimental from the original paper.
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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2010, 09:49:35 PM »
Cool. I have had bleach in the beer fridge for 3 days now. I just haven't got around to doing the deed. Thanks.

EDIT-> These bastards! "Commercial bleach (ca. 5-6% aqueous NaOCl) was sparged with nitrogen for 5 minutes immediately before use."
That is one line! It was integral to the procedures done but not put in the procedure! Dicks! I remember reading some old hive bee going on about always degassing everything because that's what all the labs do even if they aren't writing it. Does it make a big difference? I don't know but I can assure you nitrogen sparging wasn't done because it wasn't written in the experimental section. It would be removing the free chlorine, I think
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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2010, 06:17:29 AM »
OK check it out.....

Most know my experiments are quick and dirty when im getting interested in something so here goes some quick observations.

If NaOCl can oxidise the NiCl thenwhy not H2O2 I thought. So what the hell. I took some Ni + Cu oxides formed along time ago when me and vesp where after seperation of Ni from US currency. Well that formed a powder which I added HCl to until is all dissolved forming the chlorides insitu.

This formed a DEEP green almost brown/black liquid an after the slow addition of 35% H2O2 the solution cleared up to an emerald green solution and tiny bubbles quikly ceased.

So I allowed this to rest for about 1 hour or so and added it dropwise to EtOH. It began to slowly fizzle and gradualy pick up pace simular to a carbonted beverage.

This was allowed to sit and react at below room temperature. Outside is about 55-60 degree F. After about 1-2 hours I returned and it was bubbing at a fairly slow but steady pace but the smell of Acetaldahyde was obvious showin that this little quick an dirty experiment indeed oxidised Primary alcohol into the aldahyde IMHO better and faster then the Nitric acid oxidation experiments I performed sometime back. The bubbling observed first assumed to be decomposition of the H2O2 I later have cometo believe this may just be the Acetaldahyde exiting the solution upon synthesis.

I would have used NaOCl but.... I can't friggin find it but I highly suggest giving H2O2 + NiCl a shot on a small scale if for no other reason to verify my findings. If given a change I will attempt to quantify some of my results to give some more useful experimental detail ther then just splish splash chemistry. If given a chance im also going to attack toluene with somethin simular and see what I get. This is very steady even from the first attempt at oxidation.
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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2010, 03:33:51 PM »
I would have used NaOCl but.... I can't friggin find it(...)

Can't find bleach? heh

Thanks Sedit, that is really interesting. I think the observed colors are strange(quickly coming back to green), so perhaps this is proceeding through a different mechanism. As long as hydrogen peroxide has the umph to form the same nickel oxide hydroxide oxidant, it shouldn't really matter which terminal oxidant is used, and there might be many choices. Could the the experiment be repeated with a distillation or try for a bisulfite adduct?

Someone was nice enough to upload Hulickey's Oxidation book and I have been going through that. Lots of good stuff but what a bitch without a table of contents included in the djvu.

This really is on my todo list. I will report back, good or bad. And remember, that my "bad" wasn't really bad. As far as oxidations go, this one is easy, fast and safe. It still has the benzyl side chain oxidation question hanging over it, but we will get to the bottom of it soon!

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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2010, 03:56:21 PM »
I must for the time being retract my last post...

I tryed again with the solution and what I got was nothing. No bubbles or anything. I fear that Fe fell into the reaction mixture(rusty EtOH can) forming the Fentons reagent which I proved sometime ago is able to faclilitate the oxidation of Primary alcohols to carboxylic acids and if only trace amounts are present I see no reason why it wouldn't form Acetaldahyde.

There is also the possibility that overnight the H2O2 and the substances formed went to hell so I will repeat in a more controlled fashion later on.

As far as finding beach.... I couldn't find my bleach :)

Also don't forget to note that my process has Copper in it as well due to my source of Nickle comming from coins. im going to look all over for my NaOCl and see if I can find it, if not ill just make some since I can make Cl2 with ease and just feed that into NaOH solution since I really want to see the Ni hydroxide complex in its glory.


BTW can this substance be isolated to produce concentrated AcOH from EtOH perhaps?
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Re: NiCL2 NaOCl oxidation of primary alcohol
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2010, 06:37:19 AM »
BTW can this substance be isolated to produce concentrated AcOH from EtOH perhaps?

Which substance, nickel oxide hydroxide? Right in the ref they say that this is a mod to use the nickel chloride in catalytic amounts and that the old tech was to form a bunch of it, so I guess the answer is yes. I don't know what sort of luck you will have with it, though.