Synth may be back but he should go......

java · Consumer

The damage has been done and the board is in question in order to restore some credibility we must take over the forum and elect our own administrators, I for one would like to be out of the loop so there is no conflict of interest for the post ...I only want to resore the work that we, the members , have put into this forum.

It's our work and we want to continue our work but can't with the current administrator, synth , at the helm. We can do this civil or we can take our files and work and start again somewhere else, but for the sake of continuity and not loosing the home for the 1200+ members here it would be best if we fought for our home....now.

So the choice is yours , elect your favorite and the tally will show the favorites and menwhile we should, e-mail him, ask synth to turn over the server access so we can continue our work. I will hold the server access until the membership has made their choice ......so do your part and inform members that you know to drop by and cast their vote.....java

java · Consumer

I have not seen anyone work so hard in such a short time as Primathon, nubee, and jackoozie , we have all seen their work and it speaks for itself. Grant you I don't know if any of them want the responsibility but those are my choices.....lets hear your choices then we will vote.......java

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

there need not be any elections imo, primathon did the programming, you, jackoozie and nubee have been the main contributors. it's simple as that.

Harmonia · Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:34 am

Fuck the server. Just take the database and put it up somewhere else. Someone who has been in the community for long should take over, somebody we can trust for shure. Primathon is not an acceptable alternative for me, since he's been part of all this shit (and we don't know in what ways). Obviously we can't trust either him or synthetika (and there also has been suggestions that they both are the same person). java would be my personal choice, but actually I'm mostly here because The Hive isn't. I really like diversity, but in the same time I find it hard to beleive that this forum will survive when The Hive is back on-line (especially with all this shit going down)... It's sad to see.

java · Consumer

Note: If by some chance you come to this site and it's gone then you will know that synth was not honorable and pulled the plug on all of us.... in response to the choice we as members are excercising.

I however feel that there is honor in synth not to take the low road but adhere to the wishes of the membership and surrender the helm to us so we can move this thing forward and not allow it to die. Synth's honorable beginings will always be remembered as we will maintain the name he christened the site with.....Synthetikal............java

anime · Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:22 am

vote for Java Wink

amenselah · Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:27 am

java

just the fact that u are not in the list me made me choose u for the job...
so take one for the team..
pardon my vulgarity ..but dude WE fucking need a good man for the this job..

be brave and acept.. Very Happy

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

MiNdBaBY · Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:06 am

Well, Javas rqst to look and think over this issue apparently, MiNd will and share some preliminary thoughts.

Obviously, there will ALWAYS be problems/concerns/issues with any forum/board when such is run/controlled/maintained and/or financially paid for by a single or small number of individuals. It is this aspect which has primarily led to the demise of numerous excellent websites to date. There dependancy upon a sole person inorder to maintain existence.

MiNd isn't going to take sides nor make critization or reccomendation for whom should or should not have the responsibility of administrator-ship of this site, rather MiNd only points out that such situation/battle and conflict among 'us' whom share not only the same interests but the same goals, this conflict in the midst tears at the very fabric of our [forums & boards] existence.

MiNd just today saw nubee's Synthetikal db/post distribution for dl and wants to touch on this topic. Having and allowing members/users to dl an sites/forums entire contents is crucial to such continuing to exist (think of the hive situation). MiNd doesn't remember where, the old WD? but MiNd thoroughly went off on this topic severly criticizing the admin of any and all boards for failing to allow or offer such let alone trying to prevent site spidering.

In furtherance, MiNd also suggests that site code be publicly shared/distributed OR that the site DB be in an readable format which is importable or accessible to other forum software.

Why does MiNd make those suggestions?

Yes, it adds the complication that every schmuck can [easily] startup their own forum based on the foundation of an existing forum, which can add some confusion, but the users/members will ultimately pick a single spot to continue their active participation (posting).

Having such available and being crucial to longevity and continued existence will allow a failsafe, NO MATTER WHOM has the responsibility or position of Administrator of an particular site forum/board. As without regard for whom should 'have the power' over the forum, such is still dependant upon that person(s) and can easily become irradicated with such dependance.

The power & dependance possessed by an sites Admin needs to be severed! MiNd has detailed how such is accomplished and highly [again] suggests members demand for such.

In regards to this, nubee's [recent] actions in creating an offline, distributable, archive/backup of this forum available for download greatly impressed MiNd and increased the amount of respect MiNd personally has for nubee.

MiNd,

MiNdBaBY · Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:17 am

As for regard donations, server expenses, and payments fro members.

There is no security risk or concerns with regards to this suggestion. That the such site admin publicly share the name, address, contact information for purposes of payment and the customer/account number that such payment should be applied to.

In english, allow members to directly make payments to the company or organization responsible for providing the services that such forum operate from and under.

Almost all companys, though may find it annoying, can, will, and should accept payments on accounts in which their is no currently due or deliquent balances and effectivally create a postivie running tab.

This not only allows for a great level of anonymity for donaters but would alleviate any concerns as to where the funds from such donations might end up.

MiNdBaBY · Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:27 am

Posting galore here with thoughts..

Between MiNds expense payment suggestion, and say multiple administrators with access to the site for maintenance and administration, would pretty effectively guarantee longevity of such forum.

However, should one of the administrators choose to sabotage or destroy the site, such would result in little damage other than inconvience assuminng the forums content has been provided to members in a format which is utilizable with forum software. Thus no single person could destroy the collective information.

Let your battle for a more reliable person to carry the burden of administrator-ship, but Mind only EMPHASIZES, that until various foundational aspects of a forums/sites existence and infrastructure are changed, there will ALWAYS BE reliability problems and/or personality conflicts with those responsible for the site.

In english, changing administrators though may alleviate *some* problem, it is not an ultimate solution, rather nothing more than popping a pain killer to mask the pain, whereby the pain still exists as does it's cause. The pain killer does nothing but mask the still existent problem.

Changing admins should that be what happens here (MiNd is new to this whole situation, arguments, etc. and hasn't followed such) it will not be a solution but rather a shortterm bandaid. MiNd wishes you all the best of luck and hopefully you guys can come to some compromises civilly. Smile

Good luck! Smile

And respects go out to Java for trying to the best of his ability to fix things for lack of better term.

lurker4711 · Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:47 pm

Java.

nubee · Master Archiver

im not up to it sorry... but its honour to be considered Smile

2spun · The Resistor

Again,

swiy says.. there are way too many intelligent minds here.
For such a simple solution." not to bee resolved"
Houner and integrity what bee don't understand that?
none swiy knows.
The question is who's going to take it??
Nubee says no, Java says no.. NOw who?
Jackoozie&Primathon?
speak your mind!
This is all bulshit someone standup and save the day please.
Swiy belives there should be a joint of admin/owners.
again.
Keep a honest bee honest.

bio · Working Bee

Don't know how to make a nomination if not here. I voted for other and nominate Java.

Surely all the chemists around here aren't a bunch of broke dicks but I never even figured out how and where to send funds.