hi Marakov, do you know any tricks for the liquid culture? i was reading something about triggering the fungus to make alkaloids by asphyxiating it.
Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2010, 04:58:56 AM »
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2010, 10:27:36 AM »
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,1039.0.html
This has a bit of information, might be useful -- feel free to add too it on anything ergot related.
There is a good PDF folder running around with a great start of what you need to know about claviceps purpurea you might have luck finding.
This has a bit of information, might be useful -- feel free to add too it on anything ergot related.
There is a good PDF folder running around with a great start of what you need to know about claviceps purpurea you might have luck finding.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2010, 12:29:51 AM »
@61-50-7 : Sorry man, totally bit your head off for no reason. I remember now researching that plant for its ergot alkaloids. he's right everyone...
@Vesp: Im sure bumping into somone who can do a total synthesis is a possibility; SWIM was just looking into alternates in the meantime.
So far he hasn't succeeded in finding any ergot to start a culture with, but sometimes these plans can take a few years to come to fruition.
@Vesp: Im sure bumping into somone who can do a total synthesis is a possibility; SWIM was just looking into alternates in the meantime.
So far he hasn't succeeded in finding any ergot to start a culture with, but sometimes these plans can take a few years to come to fruition.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2010, 05:47:51 AM »
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Im sure bumping into somone who can do a total synthesis is a possibility; SWIM was just looking into alternates in the meantime.
Understandable, I was just thinking that ergot would have more potential than HBWR and should be considered and looked into, it might even be easier -- however, I guess that is obvious, and this is also great to look more into this, as you never know what you may come across. HBWR could be a pretty decent way, not that I have any real interest in it.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2010, 04:09:21 AM »
I look everywere vesp no fungi for me 
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2010, 02:05:07 AM »
Today I was browsing the hardware store and stumbled across a large box of 99% pure phosphorous pentoxide. Why not make the acid chloride with POCl3. Just extract some red phosphorous, chlorinate. use the PCl5 and P4O10 to make the POCl3. It seems very straightforward once you have phosphoryl chloride. Ventilation and possibly a respirator would be needed, but those are pretty simple to rig up.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2010, 05:34:30 AM »
What do you mean by the hardware store?
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2010, 05:52:08 AM »
I mean an actual hardware store. Little mom and pop operation type. Believe it was a wood bleaching agent or something of that nature. I'll pick some up come saturday and inform as to the brand if thats appropriate.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #48 on: October 15, 2010, 09:48:10 AM »
real vs. fake hwbr seed
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/ArgyreiaID.htm
^ german are you sure the a. speciosa contain .1% ergot alkaloids?
if so, one could use water, tartaric acid, and montmorillonite clay to absorb the alkaloids to reduce solvent use and avoid the hassle of extracting kilos of biomass through columns.
most of the cheap stuff comes from india and they bait and switch sometimes.
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/ArgyreiaID.htm
^ german are you sure the a. speciosa contain .1% ergot alkaloids?
if so, one could use water, tartaric acid, and montmorillonite clay to absorb the alkaloids to reduce solvent use and avoid the hassle of extracting kilos of biomass through columns.
most of the cheap stuff comes from india and they bait and switch sometimes.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #49 on: October 15, 2010, 10:00:43 PM »
I mean an actual hardware store. Little mom and pop operation type. Believe it was a wood bleaching agent or something of that nature. I'll pick some up come saturday and inform as to the brand if thats appropriate.
I agree that would be much easier than working with oxidizing RP
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #50 on: October 15, 2010, 10:34:03 PM »
here is the scheme
grind the seed stir in 2% tartaric acid oxygen free water under inert enviroment maybe add ascorbic acid as antioxadant.
filter through a cloth into a trash can and extract until uv indicates no more ergoline in the mush.
use montmorillontie clay to absorb the alkaloids wash the clay with water and dry in convection oven at 90C (no oxidation takes place as the alkaloids are entrained in the clay.
use solvent and base to extract the alkaloids i understand recovery is pretty efficient and the hassle of rotovapping gallons of solvent is eliminated.
and production of pocl3 from p4o10 still requires phosphorous pentachloride not exactly something that comes off a hardware store shelf and is probably watched because of it's implications in nerve agents.
grind the seed stir in 2% tartaric acid oxygen free water under inert enviroment maybe add ascorbic acid as antioxadant.
filter through a cloth into a trash can and extract until uv indicates no more ergoline in the mush.
use montmorillontie clay to absorb the alkaloids wash the clay with water and dry in convection oven at 90C (no oxidation takes place as the alkaloids are entrained in the clay.
use solvent and base to extract the alkaloids i understand recovery is pretty efficient and the hassle of rotovapping gallons of solvent is eliminated.
and production of pocl3 from p4o10 still requires phosphorous pentachloride not exactly something that comes off a hardware store shelf and is probably watched because of it's implications in nerve agents.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #51 on: October 15, 2010, 11:17:10 PM »
phosphorous pentachloride can be made by gassing red phosphorous. If you take the phosphorous tetra chloride and add it to some more red phosphorous it should form PCl3.
Currently I'm dreaming up a crack pot idea for making white phosphorous quick and easy. I'll post that in the appropriate thread and you guys can criticize at will.
Also I was curious if anyone knew the most recent route to LSD via ergocristine (it's on the fast track to getting regulated but has yet to be).
Currently I'm dreaming up a crack pot idea for making white phosphorous quick and easy. I'll post that in the appropriate thread and you guys can criticize at will.
Also I was curious if anyone knew the most recent route to LSD via ergocristine (it's on the fast track to getting regulated but has yet to be).
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2010, 12:24:46 AM »
SS: they say the only people that can make dose are the ones that can solve every single practical problem on the way. Your question is a very simple chemistry problem... P.S. ergocristine has been used since well before it became publicized in the missile silo bust, I would recommend ignoring it as a precursor.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2010, 12:27:40 AM »
i can think of 3 ergolines that are'nt officially regulated and even aldrich will sell you without paperwork but that does'nt mean they are'nt secretly watched.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2010, 01:12:06 AM »
Yeah think about it this way, if company X sells anything regulated they must submit DEA paperwork and give them access to their purchase records. Since they have all the companies records they can go through them with a fine tooth comb. If there are suspicious chemical orders that do not include controlled chemicals they can't arrest you immediately but will instead wiretap you/stake out your residence/trash pickups. I would almost rather get popped right off the bat.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2010, 02:08:19 AM »
umm that's what happens when you buy something off the "special surveillence list" you get surveilled.
aldrich has thier own dea compliance dept.
but other companies don't give a shit they will keep records but probably won't ask for your life history or a lot of questions it's doable with the right subterfuge but i would'nt buy anything within the dea's jurisdiction or treaty nations.
think of nations w/o dea treaty's like china.
they don't even like americans so the only reason they woul be talking to you is for cold hard cash.
aldrich has thier own dea compliance dept.
but other companies don't give a shit they will keep records but probably won't ask for your life history or a lot of questions it's doable with the right subterfuge but i would'nt buy anything within the dea's jurisdiction or treaty nations.
think of nations w/o dea treaty's like china.
they don't even like americans so the only reason they woul be talking to you is for cold hard cash.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2010, 02:23:15 AM »
they don't even like americans so the only reason they woul be talking to you is for cold hard cash.
haha thats a very good point
haha thats a very good point
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2010, 11:48:14 AM »
Hi all! My first post here!
Claviceps paspali is quite a common fungus in some places. I have loads of it near me at the right time of year. Not being set up to brew a culture, I decided to nibble increasing amounts of the stuff to check for activity.
I got up to 3g of the sclerotia before giving up due to no activity and increasing vasoconstriction.
Perhaps some of the vasoconstrictive but not active things could be useful.
I traded some with someone who was culturing them and looking at this under UV, but he found nothing.
Seems the strain is all important.
Claviceps paspali is quite a common fungus in some places. I have loads of it near me at the right time of year. Not being set up to brew a culture, I decided to nibble increasing amounts of the stuff to check for activity.
I got up to 3g of the sclerotia before giving up due to no activity and increasing vasoconstriction.
Perhaps some of the vasoconstrictive but not active things could be useful.
I traded some with someone who was culturing them and looking at this under UV, but he found nothing.
Seems the strain is all important.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #58 on: October 18, 2010, 09:15:17 AM »
I decided to nibble increasing amounts of the stuff to check for activity.
Oh lord, don't eat it.
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Re: LSD from HBWR
« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2010, 01:36:05 PM »
What about a strong base hydrolyse of Ergive to give lysergic acid, and then let react it with diethylamine hydrochloride ?
Is that normal that I bought pure Diethylamine hcl salts at my drugstore ? I was like "uhhh what ? you really sell that ?". It that normal or only because I'm french ?
Is that normal that I bought pure Diethylamine hcl salts at my drugstore ? I was like "uhhh what ? you really sell that ?". It that normal or only because I'm french ?