http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Curtius

wont work on simple amides like LSA though I belive.

There is probably another reaction which isn't harmful to the lysergic part.
Do you have an example of what is formed instead or any proper evidence?
I need more than just an incline to go on.  ty

why dont you think the synth is just being given out by people and there are quite a few who do make
it to my knowlage.

one if every one had it in an open forum then kiss the shit goodbye as its number one on the bad lists
for the DEA

Who are you talking to? What questions are you answering?

I belive the stuff should not be sold but given away.
but given only to the right people.

I agree Or, If absoloutely necissary, then cost-price. Which shouldn't be very much.
LSD Is a fantastic tool for introspection, development and evolution. all that stuff
that leary, kesey and other gurus said back in the 60's and 70's... it wasn't just bollocks;
it really can expand your mind.

I have been banging this one around for a bit.

First, basic math, which I probably do have all effed up, but...

.13% of dry weight is x.0013? That makes a kilo of HBWR yield 1000g x .0013 = 1.3g LSA, not .13g

Now if one combined the hydrolysis and extraction, tossing in a non-polar extraction to remove crap before acidification, I think one might be on the right track. With the a/b the solvent amount could be reduced to a manageable amount almost immediately. If toluene/benzene was used the last bit could be dean stark-ed to dryness, ready for HATU or one of the others.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/ergocristine.html

That would also get the ergometrine to LSA.

Yeah, there would be a lot of iso- but those numbers are workable for the final product. How many grams at a time are you thinking you can run through a column at one time, anyway?

Yeah, run through a column after extraction/hydrolysis. I was only commenting on the "10 grams" part by someone else, which is an awesome goal, but huge. To get 10g out of this source that would be more than 20g starting "purified" material, like 20 column runs! I know columns exist that can run 10g+ but I sure have never seen one.

With HBWR it looks like even with mechanical losses one could be on the road to tripping balls after an extraction/hydrolysis of ~4-5Kg, hoping for a g or more of the correct lysergic acid, (6aR,9R)-7-methyl-4,6,6a,7,8,9-hexahydroindolo[4,3-fg]quinoline-9-carboxylic acid.

Or like was mentioned earlier, 10-20 boxes of those pills will get you to the same place. I sort of like the romantic nature of "homespun" from those seeds to LSD...

After this treatment, how does one know which band is the winner? I know exactly how one would test iso-lsd from lsd , but LSA? Do both make you tired or just one?

HATU really looks like it rocks. After the other battles, that part actually is pretty easy.

If one started with the correct LSA, the product should only need reXtal to a thing of beauty if using HATU.

SO3 and Hydrazine Hydrate are not too hard to create...
Just a right pain in the arse.

Using the lab version of the contact process using Vanadium Pentoxide, I have made small amounts of SO3 to add to purified H2SO4, small quantities, to get small amounts of Oleum.

With Hydrazine... Well, here goes.
First, we use the well known method (I will post the article later) to get Hydrazine Sulphate.
Next, we freebase that with Ca(OH)2.
Boom. Hydrazine Hydrate.
Now, I stop there because I have no reason to go farther, but IIRC one can distill in an inert atmosphere to get Hydrazine (Anhydrous).

Just a word of warning about anhydrous hydrazine... It is, essentially, evil. Its vapors seem to SEEK OUT ignition sources! Then, boom.

The HBWR is actually looking better and better. After looking through other people's books on the subject, the hbwr extraction is not even close to a new idea, but the use of two phase and combining the hydrolysis with the initial extraction is. It should rock.

One might think that Shulgin's(or KrZ's) KOH hydrolysis mix and temp would be excellent used on ground up seeds in sufficient quantities to have them swim while stirred. Toss on a non polar when the time is up to de-fat/wax/whatever. It is at this stage and at the first acidification that emulsions will probably try to ruin your good time. Vac filtering the mess through the ground seeds might be the hot ticket. Or one could filter then centrifuge all of it like real labs do, but the volumes would suck for 5Kg seeds. The seeds and filtered mess could then be subjected to a second hydrolysis/extraction.

Proceeding along the acid/base/acid workup, the emulsion at the first acidification, if it occurs, is another story. It would be a bitch, so it probably will happen. Diatoms or centrifuge and more non-polar are probably the best bets.

All of this should be done dark and under shielding gas.

After this, one would be home free to vac concentrate the non-polar to a reasonable volume and proceed with Shulgin's path.

I say again, that the use of toluene for the non-polar at the end would allow you to high vac evap/distill to anhydrous. Proper technique through the column would leave you with both LA and iso-LA ready to go under septum seal for one of the new school routes. Another column after you are done to remove the iso-LSD for KOH treatment and you are almost illuminating.

Follow with maleic, reXtal and the pressing of heavy pills and one could help bring back the summer of love just in time...

The newschool runs with expensive but easy to buy coupling agent of your choice in trimethylamine(from Eschweiler-Clarke ammonia, formaldehyde and formic, I think) and diethylamine(from DEET). There is no reason for the low yields anymore(except for bad technique).

Yep, you have the Hydrazine method down all right, though I prefer to extract it as the Sulphate.

I will post the SO3 method later on, when I have time for a decent write up. Basically it is reacting SO2 and O2 over hot vanadium pentoxide and collecting the SO3 in a fucking freezing cold beaker, I will sketch/scan a diagram later, when I am less sleep deprived...

might lysergic acid chloride be made by oxalyl chloride or (better yet) by TCCA?

can someone with stronger theory than myself predict how much better/worse these reagents might perform than PCl5, POCl3, and SOCl2 which are all proven for this task?

Yes the acid chloride route works, but for a food-safe, environment-friendly, non-toxic homemade LSD tek, SOCL2 is a no-no. Its not available OTC so, most people can't obtain it. If we want to saturate the world's supply of LSD and cement it as a free, widly available religious sacrament, then we must eliminate the cost and promote understanding of every aspect of it! including the food-safe, non-toxic, environment friendly kitchen synthesis!

I don't personally feel that HBWR is really even an option -- I'd either think growing ergot culture, or total synthesis are the only two real ways to go about it. I could be wrong, but it seems here that its mostly going to be a big waste of time playing with muddy solutions from ground seeds, etc.

I don't personally feel that HBWR is really even an option -- I'd either think growing ergot culture, or total synthesis are the only two real ways to go about it. I could be wrong, but it seems here that its mostly going to be a big waste of time playing with muddy solutions from ground seeds, etc.

Liquid Ergot culture is proper way. Steel tank drum for it is best to make solution. It can become a test factory from being a scale up to a the greater amount. There is a future in here.