I'm on a quest for a specific type of psychedelic.  I want a psychedelic that is recreational and fun, preferably not too stimulating, preferably relaxing or euphoric, appreciable visuals (whether it is CEV or OEV or both), all while being fairly easy on the ego with not too much mindfuck.  I have never done 2C-B or MMDA but after much reading, those two are the ones topping my list as potential candidates.  I considered DMMDA-2 and other MMDA configurations but they don't sound appealing.  I've read Antibody2's work on DMMDA-2 and DMMDMA-2, neither of which sounded too worthwhile.  DMMDA-2 sounded entirely too stimulating for my preference with no major hallucinogen role to it; this in conjunction with strange bodily sensations means I'd rather stay away from this one.  DMMDMA-2's dose is so high that it's almost inactive.  Antibody2's thread can be found on your local hive archives at "hiveboard/methods/000250280.html".  MMDA3a & MMDA3b - No info on these outside of PIHKAL.  Per PIHKAL it sounded like MMDA3a had marked stimulation and tremors.  LSD is far outside of my abilities and too risky.  Growing mushrooms is easy enough, but I don't particularly like mushrooms.  Mescaline is a favorite of mine but it's very stimulating, it's a heavy experience that must be prepared for and not taken for fun, it's a tool for self healing not a toy.  I'm looking for a toy to play with.  I've taken 2C-I a few times, it was recreational, perhaps a little too stimulating for me though.  I got some "mind movies" from 2C-I which were very enjoyable, however everytime I took 2C-I it seemed to cause uncomfortable anxiety, my friends that I took it with noted the same.  The anxiety was easy to overlook and nowhere near producing a bad trip, I did have fun on it but 2C-I wasn't something I really enjoyed all that much.  I think it was the uncomfortable stimulating bodyload of 2C-I that caused the anxiety.  Perhaps 2C-B won't have that anxiety and will be more euphoric and fit the bill for what I'm looking for.  If anyone has any experience or even second-hand information on MMDA experiences or synth procedures, please reply.

First there is Iudexk's really old "OTC" Synth for MMDA.  It uses RP/I so it being classified as "OTC" is obviously far out of date.  I'd consider this route useless: h**p://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/chemistry/mmda.html

Another option is the halosafrole route, just substitute safrole for a molar amount of myristicin.  Instead of doing the "pipe bomb" method, one could use iodination per Jon's route instead.

In his write-up for MDP2P Oxime reduction to MDA, Antibody2 said "It should also be noted that the following solvent/redxn system was sucessfully employed in the manufacture of MMDA and DMMDA but in lower yeilds, 10% and 50% respectively. It failed repeatedly with DMMDA-2 altogether."  However I have not seen any procedures for oxidation of myristicin, or perhaps oxidation of iso-myristicin via peracid?

The nitroethane route looks to me like a cunt and half.  Going from vanillin requires methylene bromide.  Have fun making that.

As for mystiricin...

Halogenation of the alkane shouldn't be hard.  Apparently jon's method works well.  brominate, finklestein, aminate with NH3.

Alternatively, you could probably go the wacker route, followed by the leukart, although obviously I have no idea what yields would be, or if its even feasible.

Re: vanillin.  You have balance work with cost.  Sure vanillin cost less.  What is that synthesis? 7 or 8 steps?  FTS.

Info taken from a vendors page.

Myristicin content 9-30%
Apiole content 30-50%
33.3 oz $75

Even with the lower end myristin content of 9% its only $25/oz.  Expensive enough, but I wouldn't complain.  I would be most parsley seed oil would have more myristicin than this product, anyway.

Just a responce to a few common concerns expressed in Akcoms post.

The nitroethane route looks to me like a cunt and half.  Going from vanillin requires methylene bromide.  Have fun making that.

Honestly I would have fun making that, Dichloromethane and NaBr refluxed in acetone is in all honesty my idea of a good time.

Halogenation of the alkane shouldn't be hard.  Apparently jon's method works well.  brominate, finklestein, aminate with NH3.

Please all keep in mind without labwork, suggesting Jons bromosafrole as not to hard is jumping the gun a bit. Countless bees have attempted it, many of our best bees who you can assure where following patents and not writeups, and all have ended with curse words and low yeilds at a time when Safrole was flowing like the Nile river. The bromoalkane routes where well documented at the hive and in patents and the reason it is not in use today is because the yeilds where shitty when they produced at all. Im not saying its not possible but that brings me to my next reply,

Re: vanillin.  You have balance work with cost.  Sure vanillin cost less.  What is that synthesis? 7 or 8 steps?  FTS.

Its obvious that everyone is counting steps are arbitrary numbers instead of looking at what each step entails. They see bromination methods as a simple couple step synthesis and they see vanillin as a long complicated synthesis because its to many steps. In the end what it boils down to is simplicity and yeilds and Im pretty convinced that you would get both using Vanillin over Myristicin. Perhaps before comming to a conclusion everyone should wait and see how Salutes bromomolkane to amine pans out then decide.

And now, my response to Sedit lol

Honestly I would have fun making that, Dichloromethane and NaBr refluxed in acetone is in all honesty my idea of a good time.

If you're idea of fun involves alkylating mutagens in a reflux apparatus then we just have different ideas of fun.  Like NPH said, you still need EtNO2, DMF, picric acic and LAH or another suitable strong reducing agent.  Good luck with those as well.  Just as aside, from what I understand the CH2Cl2 -> CH2Br2 reaction is quite finicky

Please all keep in mind without labwork, suggesting Jons bromosafrole as not to hard is jumping the gun a bit. Countless bees have attempted it, many of our best bees who you can assure where following patents and not writeups, and all have ended with curse words and low yeilds at a time when Safrole was flowing like the Nile river. The bromoalkane routes where well documented at the hive and in patents and the reason it is not in use today is because the yeilds where shitty when they produced at all. Im not saying its not possible but that brings me to my next reply,

All very true, but jon seems to know his shit.  Either he's one of the best BS'ers around (possible) or he's right on the money (more likely).  Besides, patents can and have been very misleading in the past.  http://127.0.0.1/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/halosafrole.txt good yields to bromo using essentially jons writeup except for premade HBr. I'll have more to say on this soon.

Its obvious that everyone is counting steps are arbitrary numbers instead of looking at what each step entails. They see bromination methods as a simple couple step synthesis and they see vanillin as a long complicated synthesis because its to many steps. In the end what it boils down to is simplicity and yeilds and Im pretty convinced that you would get both using Vanillin over Myristicin

I can only assume that with the vanillin route you're referring to Osmium & Rhodium's writeup.
That Vanillin route provides two yield killing steps: formation of the nitrocompound at ~52% w/w and the production of 5-hydroxyvanillin at 68%/60% depending on the route.  That's a 31% yield ignoring your mechanical losses and 5 other steps.
Each step entails labor.  A lot of labor.  Setting up glassware, breaking down glassware, cleaning glassware, extractions, etc.  That's a very time intensive process.  It's neither simple nor high yielding.

Anyway, I wouldn't suggest the bromo reaction with myristicin considering the precursor isn't cheap as dirt unless you already had the technique down.  As others have noted it seems pretty temperamental to reaction parameters and work up.  My money would be on wacker + leukart.  2 steps, decent yields

I'm on a quest for a specific type of psychedelic.  I want a psychedelic that is recreational and fun, preferably not too stimulating, preferably relaxing or euphoric, appreciable visuals (whether it is CEV or OEV or both), all while being fairly easy on the ego with not too much mindfuck.

Trying to get psychedelic w/o some mindfuck is like trying to find hooker with healthy hymen!

Low dose of 2C-T-7 is exactly what are you trying to find,read some reports on that...

You really might consider MMDMA,it's pretty unique thing!

Following same rout as safrole->MDMA to get myristicin->MMDMA works great.
Only problem is to get Myristicin,SWIM uses French parsley seed oil and it's
pretty high in myristicin! All I can say about that for now,I plan to confirm that by experiment.

the french seem to like mmdma 2-methoxy-3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine.
according to wikipedia
and mmda is like mda with all the tactile fun and sensory enhancement without the jarring stimulant effect it might be worthwhile.

If the dibromo derivative has that high a melting point then there may be the possibility of forming the chlorohydrine here and achieve a simular boiling point. The upside is the Chlorohydrine can be converted to the ketone.

Alkenes, in the presense of -OCl, form the Chlorohydrine. Treatment with a base yeild an epoxide.

You wont get ring bromination because there is no catalyst present or UV light. These are the two conditions needed to add halogen to a ring struture.


Read below, 87% yeilds of Epoxide in two hour on propenylbenzene using NaOCl and KBr.

Leuckart is pesky too,I would first practice with some less expensive similar alkene...

Try jon's method (it works) or good ol' wacker oxidation.

You can make p-benzoquinone following "my" method
(search for it on the forum) from hydroquinone.