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« Reply #840 on: April 26, 2011, 01:50:40 AM »
Hey, there is probabaly some obvious answer to this question. I'm just wonder is it possible to isomerise safrole using an equimolar amount of NaOH rather than the standard KOH. I'd assume there would be a reduction in yeild, but would it still isomerise? Sorry if this is a stupid questions!

Correct on both fronts. NaOH may be used. NaOH will reduce yields compared to KOH.

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« Reply #841 on: April 26, 2011, 02:34:52 AM »

Correct on both fronts. NaOH may be used. NaOH will reduce yields compared to KOH.

Just out of curiosity...What's the reason why it's like that?

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« Reply #842 on: April 26, 2011, 11:16:43 AM »
That's perfect thanks! I just wanted be sure! I'll give the NaOH isomerisation a go!

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« Reply #843 on: April 26, 2011, 04:45:28 PM »
Does anyone have info on 2C-D's (hydrochloride salt) solubility, or lack thereof, in acetone?
I cannot find info on this anywhere.

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« Reply #844 on: April 26, 2011, 09:02:42 PM »
I cannot say for sure but I really doubt the hydrochloride salt is soluble in acetone. The hydroiodide should be though.

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« Reply #845 on: April 27, 2011, 07:46:50 AM »
What is piece of glassware that bubbles steam through a solution in steam distillation called? (It's a one piece thingy in Vogels Practical Organic Chemistry)
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« Reply #846 on: April 27, 2011, 06:35:06 PM »
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Generally it's called the steam inlet tube:

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« Reply #847 on: April 30, 2011, 07:46:17 PM »
Can anyone suggest a simple over the counter protecting group for the amino moiety of an amino acid? Benzaldahyde then reduction to yeild a Benzyl group which can be hydrolysized off? This is kind of counter productive to do this way so im open to any and all suggestions.
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« Reply #848 on: April 30, 2011, 09:32:39 PM »
http://www.google.com.tw/patents/about?id=jp0aAAAAEBAJ

The methods here are probably your best bet.

Reaction of the amine with methyl formate gives a formamide. Further reaction of the formamide with dimethyl carbonate gives a methyl carbamate, and pyrolysis gives an isocyanate. The resulting isocyanate can react with benzyl alcohol to give Cbz-protected amines or with tert-butanol to give t-BOC protected amines. If you're using this for what I think you're using it for, t-BOC is what you're after, since it will stand up to any base you can throw at it, including butyl-lithium.

You might be able to get away with isopropanol instead of tert-butanol if you really can't get tert-butanol, but it's not really a suspicious chemical at all I don't think. t-butanol is also formed by decarboxylating beta-hydroxy beta-methylbutyrate aka HMB.

t-BOC anhydride isn't very suspicious either, but it could get suspicious fast if the rxn works.

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Re: Short Questions Thread
« Reply #849 on: May 01, 2011, 12:42:13 PM »
What is PhCH3?

i cant find a simple answer to this on google it is just all reactions using it.. anyone?

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« Reply #850 on: May 01, 2011, 12:52:11 PM »
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« Reply #851 on: May 01, 2011, 01:31:41 PM »
yep it is tolly,

phenyl ring with a methyl group attached = toluene

thanks! i have never seen ph used in the notation system.. is that an old system? using ph in notation?

i would look for something like a shortened methylbenzene

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« Reply #852 on: May 01, 2011, 02:22:17 PM »
I could really do with some help identifying an aromatic oil .I'm just starting to learn about identifying unknown substance but realize its going to take me a while to do.

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« Reply #853 on: May 01, 2011, 03:14:41 PM »
Have you tried any of the functional group tests yet? You know its boiling point and melting points? I suppose you don't have access to TLC, you could check if yoiu had an azeotrope or if the r.f. values matched any know precursors

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« Reply #854 on: May 01, 2011, 04:07:51 PM »
yep it is tolly,

phenyl ring with a methyl group attached = toluene

thanks! i have never seen ph used in the notation system.. is that an old system? using ph in notation?

i would look for something like a shortened methylbenzene
It's a very common abbreviation for phenyl

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« Reply #855 on: May 01, 2011, 06:01:08 PM »
Sincere Apologies!!  Didn't mean to break the rules.

Thanks Pd for the advice.Have done some tests but am unsure.I need to get a few more things to complete some of the tests.I'm going to rerun all the tests to be absolutely sure of the results .

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« Reply #856 on: May 01, 2011, 06:29:52 PM »
Perfect, best of luck with them, some of the reagents are kinda stange all right!

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« Reply #857 on: May 04, 2011, 09:56:23 PM »
I'm looking into the lab synthesis of DMA (dimethylacetamide). I have DMF on hand so what I am wondering is would it work if I perform an acid hydrolysis of the DMF, then bubble the formed gases through a NaOH solution to remove the formic acid and HCl? Then bubble the remaining dimethylamine gas through GAA to form the product, dimethylacetamide?
It would be great if someone could either confirm the logic of this, or tell me if I am making a stupid mistake. Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #858 on: May 04, 2011, 10:14:03 PM »
Looks like you might lose some Dimethylamine when bubbling through the NaOH solution. With a solubility of 354g/100mL in water it might be more than you'd like. Just a thought. Otherwise the idea seems sound.
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« Reply #859 on: May 04, 2011, 10:24:49 PM »
Ah damn, I never thought to check its solubility in water! Silly me! So this wouldn't work very well? Would it be possible to just bubble the formic acid/dimethylamine mixture directly into the GAA?