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Re: Short Questions Thread
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2009, 09:30:50 PM »
@sedit:
From IPN, you need hydrazine hydrate and sodium hydroxide. 

H2N-NH2*H2O + IpONO + NaOH ----> NaN3 + 2H2O + IpOH

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Re: Short Questions Thread
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2009, 10:04:18 PM »
OK thank you. What is the reason for the IPN then? Why couln't Sodium Nitrite sub here? Sorry im completely lost at the moment as to the mechanics of the reaction.
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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2009, 10:06:03 PM »
Wow that looks pretty easy, whats the catch? Does it have decent yields?
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« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2009, 05:05:06 AM »
I believe with sodium nitrite, it causes explositions (occaisonally).  I haven't read into it much, due to me having a plentiful supply of NaN3 (thank you airbag)

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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2009, 05:16:03 AM »
Nitrous acid is used to destroy azides in a safe manner, seems like sodium nitrite may cause problems in the same way.
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« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2009, 11:36:12 AM »
Thanks for the Short Questions Thread I really need it.  ;D
Anyways, I was wondering about propionic acid to propionyl chloride which is also called propionic acid chloride. Instantly my mind went to propionic acid with hydrochloric - C3H6O2(l)+HCl(aq)=C3H5OCl(s)+H2O(l). Acid + Acid to get water? Really? Seems like gibberish to me. Please check my chemistry.

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« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2009, 02:31:35 PM »
Quote from: Happyman on July 19, 2009, 11:36:12 AM
Thanks for the Short Questions Thread I really need it.  ;D
Anyways, I was wondering about propionic acid to propionyl chloride which is also called propionic acid chloride. Instantly my mind went to propionic acid with hydrochloric - C3H6O2(l)+HCl(aq)=C3H5OCl(s)+H2O(l). Acid + Acid to get water? Really? Seems like gibberish to me. Please check my chemistry.

You'd need something like thionyl chloride for that. Although you probably won't have much luck buying it seeing as how it's a nerve agent precursor.

Simply mixing it with hydrochloric acid wouldn't do what you're looking for.
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Re: Short Questions Thread
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2009, 03:36:22 PM »
Sulfur chloride might do it - that substance is underestimated.

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« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2009, 06:49:05 PM »
Indeed it is underestimated. Check out this: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/anhydrides.html

Isn't the intermediate used in producing both acetic anhydride, and propanoic anhydride from sulfur chlorides the chloride of the acid?.. that is acetyl chloride, and propionyl chloride?
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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2009, 07:38:05 PM »
Sulfur chloride could probably be used, I will try that reaction someday in the near future and report the results. It is one of those "to good to be true" things.

As for the production of azides with alkyl nitrites and hydrazine, someone asked, I attached a patent describing the case.

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hard drive, I just have to find them. There is also a procedure for production of hydrazine from urea and
sodium hypochlorite, that sounds interesting. I just have to find it.
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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2009, 09:01:39 AM »
My dreams are shattered once again. I was looking for something OTC that'd work and that was the most obvious source of chlorine I know. I read the http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/anhydrides.html and it says phosphorus trichloride which instead of being a nerve agent precursor the substance itself is considered a chemical weapon. Maybe back to a chlorocyanuric acid because those seem readily available.
Propionic acid + Dichloroisocyanuric acid = Propionyl chloride + Cyanuric acid + Oxygen
2C3H6O2(l)+C3HCl2N3O3(aq)=2C3H5OCl(aq)+C3H3N3O3(s)+O2(g)
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« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2009, 02:23:01 PM »
No, that will not happen with DCCA. It is realy a source of (free)chlorine, but not a reagent to make Cl form OH. The reaction you have proposed (with oxygen evaluation) should have some very complex mechanism, with changing of oxydation state of chlorine and oxygen, and i think is not thermodinamically/kinetically favorable. Unlike PCl3 + R-OH, which is vigourous, having simple mechanism and not a red-ox reaction. Besides in aqueous solution it is impossible to get propionyl chloride (water would become HCl rather then acid becomes chloroanhydride).
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« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2009, 09:17:02 PM »
There is one chlorinating reagent that is over the counter Happy but I highly doubt you have the ability needed to tame the beast. No offense its just a volitile substance that has known to explode on contact with light for christ sake. This is the reason I have avoided it although it has been known to chlorinate alkanes in high yeilds rapidly. Imagine being able to mix this material with Toluene and have Benzylchloride in minutes in high yeilds. Its a shame that its got so many problems.

This substance is known as Isopropyl Hypochlorite(Other organic hypochlorites such as Ethylhypochlorite work as well). If you run a search on You tube for chlorine bombs you will see a load of fools setting them selfs on fire from playing with this material. It is synthesized from the action of Calcium Hypochlorite on Isopropyl alcohol but be warned you more then likely will burn if you play with fire. I will not give the synthesis because its something that someone should find on there own due to the dangers of working with it. More knowlage can be gained from finding the synthesis then what could be gained from me telling it.
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« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2009, 03:20:08 AM »
Haha, Yeah the 5 degrees off and it explodes listed on the isopropyl hypochlorite synthesis doesn't make me feel to good. For my very last shot in the dark guess Tert butyl hypochlorite?

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« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2009, 03:55:34 AM »
Tert- butyl hypochlorite still ain't exactly stable. If you have any plans on attempting it then if you have fingers left when your done please post a report because I would like to hear of some first hand use to possibly give me the balls to attempt it.
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« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2009, 07:29:28 AM »
Sorry, what is the matter of discussion?  Happyman, if you want to make acly chloride from carbonoic acid, alkylhypochlorides would not make it to you. And chlorination of phosphorus or sulfur with those species would surely lead to an explosion.
 
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« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2009, 07:45:28 PM »
Sulfur chlorides are easy to make once you have made a little bit of them.

Reacting chlorine with molten sulfur will distill SCl2 and S2Cl2. Once you have a small amount of that, you can dissolve sulfur in it, and reflux it while bubbling in chlorine, and adding more sulfur.

S2Cl2 + Cl2 = SCl2
SCl2 + S = S2Cl2 -- or something like that.

I have made about 40mls of it this way, but It wouldn't be hard to make more.
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« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2009, 01:00:30 AM »
Quote from: Vesp on July 21, 2009, 07:45:28 PM
Sulfur chlorides are easy to make once you have made a little bit of them.

Reacting chlorine with molten sulfur will distill SCl2 and S2Cl2. Once you have a small amount of that, you can dissolve sulfur in it, and reflux it while bubbling in chlorine, and adding more sulfur.

S2Cl2 + Cl2 = SCl2
SCl2 + S = S2Cl2 -- or something like that.

I have made about 40mls of it this way, but It wouldn't be hard to make more.


I have also done this, just as vesp explains.  I had plans for a large apparatus for producing this, since hardware store apparatus' are my forte.  Never got around to it, but be forewarned that the sulfur chlorides destroy many things.  They make quick work of rubber stoppers, etc.

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« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2009, 02:23:48 AM »
Also glass joints are very difficult to separate after the gas deposits sulfur between them. Pouring hot toluene on the glass joints help though.
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Hey anybody has the LD50 of the 4-nitro amphetamine or something about this chemical substance, because i dont find nothing specific about this.
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